1 00:01:09,830 --> 00:00:36,440 [Music] 2 00:01:12,170 --> 00:01:09,840 and good afternoon from Philadelphia 3 00:01:15,440 --> 00:01:12,180 Frank here with another edition of UFO 4 00:01:16,520 --> 00:01:15,450 news network Sunday today on a Wednesday 5 00:01:18,800 --> 00:01:16,530 I'm pretty sure it is 6 00:01:22,070 --> 00:01:18,810 so we've got a special guest today and 7 00:01:24,380 --> 00:01:22,080 my co-host as usual chant Hannah is 8 00:01:26,030 --> 00:01:24,390 going to bring him on and tell the folks 9 00:01:28,190 --> 00:01:26,040 all about him 10 00:01:29,960 --> 00:01:28,200 so go ahead chant take it away yes we 11 00:01:31,820 --> 00:01:29,970 have a very special show today the topic 12 00:01:34,130 --> 00:01:31,830 is really unusual I don't know of any 13 00:01:36,500 --> 00:01:34,140 talk show that has done this topic and 14 00:01:39,560 --> 00:01:36,510 that is covering the topic of 15 00:01:41,900 --> 00:01:39,570 extraterrestrials and violence or 16 00:01:45,170 --> 00:01:41,910 non-violence towards them or they to us 17 00:01:48,590 --> 00:01:45,180 we have a special guest on today to 18 00:01:51,440 --> 00:01:48,600 cover this topic with us his name is dr. 19 00:01:54,020 --> 00:01:51,450 Michael Paul masters he's a professor of 20 00:01:56,480 --> 00:01:54,030 biology biological anthropology at 21 00:01:58,999 --> 00:01:56,490 Montana Tech in Butte Montana where he 22 00:02:01,540 --> 00:01:59,009 is researching hominin evolutionary 23 00:02:03,950 --> 00:02:01,550 anatomy archeology biomedicine 24 00:02:04,700 --> 00:02:03,960 astrobiology and the physics of time and 25 00:02:07,400 --> 00:02:04,710 time travel 26 00:02:09,919 --> 00:02:07,410 he has spent over two decades carefully 27 00:02:12,800 --> 00:02:09,929 examining the possibility and got the 28 00:02:15,470 --> 00:02:12,810 UFO phenomenon may be best explained as 29 00:02:17,330 --> 00:02:15,480 our distant human descendants returning 30 00:02:20,540 --> 00:02:17,340 from the future to study us in their own 31 00:02:23,150 --> 00:02:20,550 hominin evolutionary past after 32 00:02:26,000 --> 00:02:23,160 receiving a PhD in anthropology from the 33 00:02:28,370 --> 00:02:26,010 ohio state university and onine where he 34 00:02:30,790 --> 00:02:28,380 specialized in hominin evolutionary 35 00:02:33,590 --> 00:02:30,800 anatomy modern human variation 36 00:02:35,300 --> 00:02:33,600 archeology and biomedicine and dr. 37 00:02:37,730 --> 00:02:35,310 masters spent the following decade 38 00:02:39,500 --> 00:02:37,740 developing a broad academic background 39 00:02:42,740 --> 00:02:39,510 that unites multiple scientific 40 00:02:45,250 --> 00:02:42,750 disciplines with the aim of elucidating 41 00:02:47,449 --> 00:02:45,260 a currently unexplained phenomenon 42 00:02:50,809 --> 00:02:47,459 remaining vigilant in his own skepticism 43 00:02:52,790 --> 00:02:50,819 dr. masters continues this research with 44 00:02:55,640 --> 00:02:52,800 the intent of initiating informed 45 00:02:57,920 --> 00:02:55,650 dialogue about UFOs via an abductive 46 00:03:00,380 --> 00:02:57,930 method of inquiry that is firmly rooted 47 00:03:03,890 --> 00:03:00,390 in science and the principle of 48 00:03:06,370 --> 00:03:03,900 parsimony dr. masters nonfiction science 49 00:03:08,780 --> 00:03:06,380 book identified flying objects a 50 00:03:11,660 --> 00:03:08,790 multidisciplinary a scientific approach 51 00:03:14,030 --> 00:03:11,670 to the UFO phenomenon challenges readers 52 00:03:16,640 --> 00:03:14,040 to consider new possibilities while 53 00:03:19,339 --> 00:03:16,650 cultivating conversations about our 54 00:03:22,729 --> 00:03:19,349 evolving understanding time and time 55 00:03:25,369 --> 00:03:22,739 travel welcome dr. Michael P masters to 56 00:03:28,640 --> 00:03:25,379 our show oh thank you so much it's great 57 00:03:30,199 --> 00:03:28,650 to be here we're so glad to have you do 58 00:03:32,539 --> 00:03:30,209 you mind just sharing a little bit about 59 00:03:35,809 --> 00:03:32,549 your background or what gave you the 60 00:03:38,630 --> 00:03:35,819 impetus or the inclination to even study 61 00:03:42,259 --> 00:03:38,640 the unusual types of subjects that you 62 00:03:43,910 --> 00:03:42,269 cover in your life well I mean it 63 00:03:46,640 --> 00:03:43,920 started with an early childhood 64 00:03:49,729 --> 00:03:46,650 experience not not my own unfortunately 65 00:03:52,400 --> 00:03:49,739 I've never seen a UFO or had an 66 00:03:55,160 --> 00:03:52,410 experience with any sort of alien 67 00:03:57,199 --> 00:03:55,170 encounter but my father did and I 68 00:03:58,910 --> 00:03:57,209 remember him talking about it that sort 69 00:04:03,110 --> 00:03:58,920 of peaked my interest around age 8 70 00:04:05,569 --> 00:04:03,120 actually and I just sort of started a 71 00:04:09,020 --> 00:04:05,579 lifelong journey to understand as much 72 00:04:10,940 --> 00:04:09,030 about this phenomenon as possible this 73 00:04:13,550 --> 00:04:10,950 is a really unusual topic we're going to 74 00:04:15,530 --> 00:04:13,560 cover today I wanted to kind of cover a 75 00:04:19,069 --> 00:04:15,540 little bit about the sociological and 76 00:04:21,110 --> 00:04:19,079 psychological perspectives also I just 77 00:04:23,779 --> 00:04:21,120 wanted to also cover a little bit about 78 00:04:27,020 --> 00:04:23,789 Butte Montana where you live and how 79 00:04:28,640 --> 00:04:27,030 absolutely stunning it is out there my 80 00:04:31,339 --> 00:04:28,650 understanding when I looked it up on 81 00:04:35,450 --> 00:04:31,349 Wikipedia is that it as a county seat of 82 00:04:38,089 --> 00:04:35,460 Silver Bow County Montana and the city 83 00:04:41,180 --> 00:04:38,099 has quite a rich history to it it was 84 00:04:42,560 --> 00:04:41,190 established in 1864 is a mining camp in 85 00:04:43,640 --> 00:04:42,570 the northern Rocky Mountains of the 86 00:04:46,520 --> 00:04:43,650 Continental Divide 87 00:04:49,129 --> 00:04:46,530 and it experienced rapid development in 88 00:04:51,379 --> 00:04:49,139 the late 19th century can you tell us a 89 00:04:54,230 --> 00:04:51,389 little bit more about your area and the 90 00:04:56,200 --> 00:04:54,240 industries involved in you know how do 91 00:04:59,659 --> 00:04:56,210 people make it out there what's the 92 00:05:03,290 --> 00:04:59,669 economy yeah no it's a really 93 00:05:05,350 --> 00:05:03,300 interesting town historically it's it's 94 00:05:08,300 --> 00:05:05,360 even today it has one of the largest 95 00:05:10,909 --> 00:05:08,310 historical districts in the u.s. simply 96 00:05:13,939 --> 00:05:10,919 because of the mining heritage we have 97 00:05:16,640 --> 00:05:13,949 these big structures called head frames 98 00:05:18,860 --> 00:05:16,650 or gallows frames that used to be used 99 00:05:20,570 --> 00:05:18,870 to lower the miners underground and also 100 00:05:23,120 --> 00:05:20,580 to pull up off the rock or that they 101 00:05:25,700 --> 00:05:23,130 mined and they're all lit up with these 102 00:05:27,700 --> 00:05:25,710 you know vibrant lights now at night and 103 00:05:29,930 --> 00:05:27,710 it's a it's a really interesting place 104 00:05:32,990 --> 00:05:29,940 the mining heritage 105 00:05:37,040 --> 00:05:33,000 continues mining is still a part of the 106 00:05:39,740 --> 00:05:37,050 economy here but in the 1980s the the 107 00:05:43,640 --> 00:05:39,750 large mine closed down and we've sort of 108 00:05:46,100 --> 00:05:43,650 been in this reshuffling this react 109 00:05:48,830 --> 00:05:46,110 anomic development ever since and and 110 00:05:50,240 --> 00:05:48,840 now it's a pretty diversified economy we 111 00:05:54,410 --> 00:05:50,250 have a lot of engineering we have the 112 00:05:57,380 --> 00:05:54,420 university here where I teach and just a 113 00:05:59,810 --> 00:05:57,390 lot of industry business coming in it's 114 00:06:01,160 --> 00:05:59,820 it's really a vibrant community I mean 115 00:06:03,230 --> 00:06:01,170 there used to be a hundred thousand 116 00:06:05,630 --> 00:06:03,240 people here during the height of the 117 00:06:09,770 --> 00:06:05,640 mining boom we mined most of the copper 118 00:06:11,930 --> 00:06:09,780 for electricity and you know today it's 119 00:06:13,880 --> 00:06:11,940 a very small part of the economy but we 120 00:06:17,990 --> 00:06:13,890 still really embrace that that heritage 121 00:06:21,890 --> 00:06:18,000 that that the really deep rooted mining 122 00:06:24,800 --> 00:06:21,900 heritage of the past it also has in 123 00:06:26,750 --> 00:06:24,810 popular culture a lot of interesting 124 00:06:29,540 --> 00:06:26,760 aspects to it regarding film and 125 00:06:32,540 --> 00:06:29,550 television Butte Montana has appeared in 126 00:06:35,180 --> 00:06:32,550 numerous films and actually quite a few 127 00:06:38,900 --> 00:06:35,190 too many to list here and then also 128 00:06:41,600 --> 00:06:38,910 regarding the domain of literature and 129 00:06:45,500 --> 00:06:41,610 it has a rich history as well I wanted 130 00:06:47,990 --> 00:06:45,510 to go over how four generations now in 131 00:06:49,909 --> 00:06:48,000 the state of Montana and I know a few 132 00:06:52,750 --> 00:06:49,919 people from Montana myself and by the 133 00:06:55,970 --> 00:06:52,760 way that is an absolutely gorgeous state 134 00:06:58,610 --> 00:06:55,980 they have talked about how they rely on 135 00:07:01,460 --> 00:06:58,620 hunting in order to survive 136 00:07:02,780 --> 00:07:01,470 there's a lot of people out there I have 137 00:07:05,630 --> 00:07:02,790 come across in myself 138 00:07:08,180 --> 00:07:05,640 they cannot seem to fathom the idea is 139 00:07:11,290 --> 00:07:08,190 that people actually pick up a gun and 140 00:07:14,180 --> 00:07:11,300 they go hunting for animals to survive 141 00:07:15,860 --> 00:07:14,190 can you let us a little bit know a 142 00:07:18,020 --> 00:07:15,870 little bit more you know give us some 143 00:07:21,650 --> 00:07:18,030 insight as to why people would use guns 144 00:07:24,860 --> 00:07:21,660 in order to survive in Montana well it's 145 00:07:27,050 --> 00:07:24,870 not just guns a big part of the hunting 146 00:07:29,600 --> 00:07:27,060 culture out here is bow hunting 147 00:07:33,260 --> 00:07:29,610 I consider myself first and foremost a 148 00:07:35,120 --> 00:07:33,270 bow hunter and then when bow season ends 149 00:07:38,029 --> 00:07:35,130 if I haven't filled the freezer I'll 150 00:07:40,730 --> 00:07:38,039 dust off the gun and go out and try to 151 00:07:43,640 --> 00:07:40,740 to meet our quota yeah it's it's the 152 00:07:45,110 --> 00:07:43,650 pretty much the main way we get meat to 153 00:07:46,460 --> 00:07:45,120 survive out here as well I mean 154 00:07:48,890 --> 00:07:46,470 obviously we could go to the store and 155 00:07:51,969 --> 00:07:48,900 buy it but a lot of what we do it is 156 00:07:55,520 --> 00:07:51,979 it's just issues with the meat industry 157 00:07:58,010 --> 00:07:55,530 the way animals are treated how dirty it 158 00:08:00,499 --> 00:07:58,020 is how they feed them ground-up animal 159 00:08:02,510 --> 00:08:00,509 parts and causes problems with prion 160 00:08:05,749 --> 00:08:02,520 diseases like mad cow disease is a 161 00:08:08,029 --> 00:08:05,759 common example internationally now we 162 00:08:09,469 --> 00:08:08,039 have an international meat industry that 163 00:08:11,240 --> 00:08:09,479 you know there's there's fewer 164 00:08:13,670 --> 00:08:11,250 regulations there's fewer checks and 165 00:08:15,740 --> 00:08:13,680 balances when the government was shut 166 00:08:19,100 --> 00:08:15,750 down there wasn't really food inspection 167 00:08:21,770 --> 00:08:19,110 happening so so there's some comfort in 168 00:08:24,590 --> 00:08:21,780 knowing that that this animal and don't 169 00:08:27,650 --> 00:08:24,600 get me wrong I hate that that killing 170 00:08:29,510 --> 00:08:27,660 aspect of it it's just a terrible thing 171 00:08:32,870 --> 00:08:29,520 to watch the life go out of the eyes of 172 00:08:35,719 --> 00:08:32,880 another living creature but you know it 173 00:08:38,380 --> 00:08:35,729 knowing that that that animal is gonna 174 00:08:40,969 --> 00:08:38,390 feed my family for the entire year and 175 00:08:42,589 --> 00:08:40,979 many of my friends families as well 176 00:08:45,320 --> 00:08:42,599 through traits and other things that 177 00:08:48,530 --> 00:08:45,330 happen after on teen season it it takes 178 00:08:50,060 --> 00:08:48,540 you know in knowing also that if we were 179 00:08:51,740 --> 00:08:50,070 just buying meat from the store another 180 00:08:54,910 --> 00:08:51,750 animal died at the hands of somebody 181 00:08:56,840 --> 00:08:54,920 else so so I think it's a noble thing 182 00:08:59,780 --> 00:08:56,850 you know I'm a member of the Rocky 183 00:09:01,670 --> 00:08:59,790 Mountain Elk Foundation I hunt deer and 184 00:09:03,980 --> 00:09:01,680 elk primarily I don't I don't hunt for 185 00:09:06,650 --> 00:09:03,990 sport I just thought for me and that's 186 00:09:09,019 --> 00:09:06,660 honestly you could say that about the 187 00:09:11,780 --> 00:09:09,029 vast majority of Montana residents it's 188 00:09:13,910 --> 00:09:11,790 it's a culture out here where it's it's 189 00:09:15,500 --> 00:09:13,920 it's not you know for many people it is 190 00:09:19,880 --> 00:09:15,510 survival it's how they get their food 191 00:09:24,199 --> 00:09:19,890 but it's also just just really a way to 192 00:09:26,390 --> 00:09:24,209 honor where we live and and there's you 193 00:09:28,790 --> 00:09:26,400 know it's bountiful there are a lot of 194 00:09:31,850 --> 00:09:28,800 elk in the mountains of Montana right 195 00:09:33,680 --> 00:09:31,860 now and and they rely on us to hunt them 196 00:09:35,600 --> 00:09:33,690 it's part of the management process as 197 00:09:38,630 --> 00:09:35,610 well is trapping part of that equation 198 00:09:42,290 --> 00:09:38,640 as well it is yeah that one's a little 199 00:09:44,420 --> 00:09:42,300 more contentious but but yeah trapping I 200 00:09:45,800 --> 00:09:44,430 mean a lot of the earliest settlers in 201 00:09:48,050 --> 00:09:45,810 this area and all throughout the Rocky 202 00:09:50,990 --> 00:09:48,060 Mountain Front wear fur trappers and 203 00:09:53,300 --> 00:09:51,000 that still continues today it's it's not 204 00:09:55,670 --> 00:09:53,310 as prominent as I said if you go north 205 00:09:56,960 --> 00:09:55,680 through Canada and into Alaska but it's 206 00:09:57,560 --> 00:09:56,970 still a big part of the culture here 207 00:10:00,110 --> 00:09:57,570 yeah 208 00:10:02,450 --> 00:10:00,120 you talk about some contention over it 209 00:10:05,270 --> 00:10:02,460 what what is the cause of that just the 210 00:10:09,320 --> 00:10:05,280 way the animal ends up dying or yeah I 211 00:10:12,380 --> 00:10:09,330 mean it's it's it's that it's also you 212 00:10:14,480 --> 00:10:12,390 know we also have a huge network of 213 00:10:16,940 --> 00:10:14,490 public trails and people take their dogs 214 00:10:19,340 --> 00:10:16,950 on them and occasionally a dog will step 215 00:10:21,530 --> 00:10:19,350 in a trap unless that's a that's a big 216 00:10:24,320 --> 00:10:21,540 part of the contention it's just that 217 00:10:26,930 --> 00:10:24,330 the dogs getting hurt wanted to cover 218 00:10:29,780 --> 00:10:26,940 also how the person I spoke to who is a 219 00:10:31,790 --> 00:10:29,790 hunter and by the way the people I'm 220 00:10:33,620 --> 00:10:31,800 speaking to I don't 221 00:10:35,450 --> 00:10:33,630 interview people regarding this topic 222 00:10:37,670 --> 00:10:35,460 who go hunting for sport 223 00:10:40,160 --> 00:10:37,680 I'm only interviewing people who do it 224 00:10:42,220 --> 00:10:40,170 to survive so I'd like to delineate that 225 00:10:46,630 --> 00:10:42,230 for people so they understand that 226 00:10:50,120 --> 00:10:46,640 that's just my personal preference but 227 00:10:53,300 --> 00:10:50,130 regarding who i interview the folks i 228 00:10:56,360 --> 00:10:53,310 spoke to who were from michigan said the 229 00:10:59,270 --> 00:10:56,370 area's they're in become dense with deer 230 00:11:04,630 --> 00:10:59,280 densely populated and they will die a 231 00:11:07,310 --> 00:11:04,640 horrible death if they are not shot and 232 00:11:09,380 --> 00:11:07,320 that's just the reality of it and when 233 00:11:14,240 --> 00:11:09,390 they shoot them they do it in the most 234 00:11:17,630 --> 00:11:14,250 respectful manner out of a deep honor to 235 00:11:20,090 --> 00:11:17,640 nature and that's also I think an 236 00:11:22,550 --> 00:11:20,100 important point that a lot of these 237 00:11:25,790 --> 00:11:22,560 animals will go hungry and there's an 238 00:11:28,460 --> 00:11:25,800 overpopulation problem going on I wanted 239 00:11:30,470 --> 00:11:28,470 to know how do you feel about that yeah 240 00:11:32,930 --> 00:11:30,480 there's a couple issues at play there 241 00:11:36,290 --> 00:11:32,940 one is taking the Predators out of the 242 00:11:38,440 --> 00:11:36,300 equation out here we still have grizzly 243 00:11:41,450 --> 00:11:38,450 bears black bears wolves coyotes 244 00:11:43,490 --> 00:11:41,460 mountain lions and and they take a share 245 00:11:46,670 --> 00:11:43,500 of the elk and the deer but even with 246 00:11:47,750 --> 00:11:46,680 those predators here which to be honest 247 00:11:50,030 --> 00:11:47,760 scares the crap out of me 248 00:11:51,620 --> 00:11:50,040 a lot of times when I'm by myself deep 249 00:11:54,770 --> 00:11:51,630 in the backcountry I'm always looking 250 00:11:57,380 --> 00:11:54,780 over my shoulder for Grizzlies but you 251 00:12:00,980 --> 00:11:57,390 know even with those predators here and 252 00:12:03,290 --> 00:12:00,990 pretty strong numbers we still have huge 253 00:12:05,870 --> 00:12:03,300 populations of elk and deer that that 254 00:12:08,060 --> 00:12:05,880 need to be managed I mean it's it's it's 255 00:12:10,830 --> 00:12:08,070 weird to think about humans and this 256 00:12:12,180 --> 00:12:10,840 conservation management role but 257 00:12:15,360 --> 00:12:12,190 we've gotten to the point where without 258 00:12:17,430 --> 00:12:15,370 us yeah there's not just problems of 259 00:12:19,920 --> 00:12:17,440 overpopulation and food shortages but 260 00:12:21,860 --> 00:12:19,930 there's also disease diseases can spread 261 00:12:24,510 --> 00:12:21,870 very quickly through these heard 262 00:12:26,330 --> 00:12:24,520 populations out here specifically it's 263 00:12:28,920 --> 00:12:26,340 something called chronic wasting disease 264 00:12:32,520 --> 00:12:28,930 which just causes the animal to become 265 00:12:35,580 --> 00:12:32,530 really weak and frail they die the slow 266 00:12:37,350 --> 00:12:35,590 painful death and it's the same in other 267 00:12:40,980 --> 00:12:37,360 parts of the country as well so yeah 268 00:12:44,040 --> 00:12:40,990 humans and you know our forests 269 00:12:46,860 --> 00:12:44,050 management agencies play a very 270 00:12:49,290 --> 00:12:46,870 important role and in managing these 271 00:12:54,060 --> 00:12:49,300 natural resources I think it's 272 00:12:55,860 --> 00:12:54,070 undeniable also how kids who are 273 00:12:59,160 --> 00:12:55,870 learning how to survive through their 274 00:13:02,070 --> 00:12:59,170 family it's really important they get 275 00:13:04,530 --> 00:13:02,080 those kind of skillsets 276 00:13:08,010 --> 00:13:04,540 I understand that you teach your 277 00:13:10,440 --> 00:13:08,020 children how to survive is that true it 278 00:13:15,540 --> 00:13:10,450 is absolutely we have a family 279 00:13:18,660 --> 00:13:15,550 membership to a bo range just outside of 280 00:13:21,030 --> 00:13:18,670 town they have you know big 3d targets 281 00:13:23,340 --> 00:13:21,040 set up and it's it's kind of like a golf 282 00:13:24,870 --> 00:13:23,350 course where you hike up and through the 283 00:13:26,970 --> 00:13:24,880 mountains and different ravines and 284 00:13:29,220 --> 00:13:26,980 they'll be little 3d targets set up and 285 00:13:31,320 --> 00:13:29,230 yeah I've been taking my children out 286 00:13:34,140 --> 00:13:31,330 there since since they could hold a bow 287 00:13:36,180 --> 00:13:34,150 basically and you know it's it's not 288 00:13:38,160 --> 00:13:36,190 just about teaching them the skills that 289 00:13:39,600 --> 00:13:38,170 you need because it's very difficult you 290 00:13:41,550 --> 00:13:39,610 know a lot of people think oh it's not 291 00:13:43,410 --> 00:13:41,560 fair it's people they're just going out 292 00:13:45,960 --> 00:13:43,420 and mowing down animals with guns no 293 00:13:48,150 --> 00:13:45,970 it's even with a gun even during rifle 294 00:13:50,700 --> 00:13:48,160 season you have to be very aware of your 295 00:13:52,770 --> 00:13:50,710 smell and take great precautions to 296 00:13:54,960 --> 00:13:52,780 cover up your own smell wash with 297 00:13:57,900 --> 00:13:54,970 specific soaps use specific laundry 298 00:14:01,260 --> 00:13:57,910 detergents spray all your clothes down 299 00:14:04,680 --> 00:14:01,270 with a scent mask and so on and so forth 300 00:14:06,420 --> 00:14:04,690 stalking knowing wind direction all of 301 00:14:08,670 --> 00:14:06,430 these things can make or break your hunt 302 00:14:10,320 --> 00:14:08,680 and and and those are important things 303 00:14:12,900 --> 00:14:10,330 to teach children at a young age but 304 00:14:15,390 --> 00:14:12,910 even beyond that one thing we focus on 305 00:14:18,120 --> 00:14:15,400 and a lot of other hunters I know do 306 00:14:20,430 --> 00:14:18,130 this as well as to focus on honoring the 307 00:14:22,650 --> 00:14:20,440 animal honoring its life when I bring 308 00:14:24,390 --> 00:14:22,660 home a deer and elk to hang in my garage 309 00:14:27,060 --> 00:14:24,400 the first thing I do 310 00:14:30,360 --> 00:14:27,070 bring the kids out and we we say thank 311 00:14:33,840 --> 00:14:30,370 you to the animal for for that sacrifice 312 00:14:36,000 --> 00:14:33,850 and they help with the processing of the 313 00:14:38,490 --> 00:14:36,010 meat you know packaging freezing and 314 00:14:41,940 --> 00:14:38,500 labeling so it really is a family affair 315 00:14:43,710 --> 00:14:41,950 and it's one of the best feelings in the 316 00:14:45,390 --> 00:14:43,720 world when you come home you know with 317 00:14:48,930 --> 00:14:45,400 this large animal and your kids give you 318 00:14:51,300 --> 00:14:48,940 a big hug and just you know happy to 319 00:14:53,520 --> 00:14:51,310 have this this bountiful resource that 320 00:14:55,560 --> 00:14:53,530 really does feed us throughout the 321 00:14:56,700 --> 00:14:55,570 entire year Mike that sounds like a 322 00:14:58,590 --> 00:14:56,710 little bit of a Native American 323 00:15:01,890 --> 00:14:58,600 influence there with the honoring of the 324 00:15:03,750 --> 00:15:01,900 animal afterwards well I think I think 325 00:15:06,990 --> 00:15:03,760 most cultures that really live in 326 00:15:08,520 --> 00:15:07,000 harmony with nature honor nature in a 327 00:15:13,290 --> 00:15:08,530 different way and and since we've 328 00:15:15,510 --> 00:15:13,300 separated our food procurement from that 329 00:15:16,800 --> 00:15:15,520 that actual interaction with nature you 330 00:15:19,410 --> 00:15:16,810 know when you go to the store and buy it 331 00:15:21,720 --> 00:15:19,420 and it's just red meat you you don't see 332 00:15:27,480 --> 00:15:21,730 the animal you know and I do think the 333 00:15:29,490 --> 00:15:27,490 cashier and it's it's it's not just here 334 00:15:30,780 --> 00:15:29,500 like when I lived in France it was the 335 00:15:33,180 --> 00:15:30,790 same thing they would have a picture of 336 00:15:35,190 --> 00:15:33,190 the cow at the booth Chevy that you go 337 00:15:37,260 --> 00:15:35,200 to to buy your meat and you would see 338 00:15:40,440 --> 00:15:37,270 the animal that you got it from we just 339 00:15:42,600 --> 00:15:40,450 had this this meat shop open up only a 340 00:15:44,610 --> 00:15:42,610 few blocks from where I live where the 341 00:15:46,080 --> 00:15:44,620 guy knows the animals personally he goes 342 00:15:47,910 --> 00:15:46,090 there and he gets them and they don't 343 00:15:50,790 --> 00:15:47,920 send them off to process them it's one 344 00:15:52,950 --> 00:15:50,800 of the largest what he calls kill houses 345 00:15:54,300 --> 00:15:52,960 and in Montana because they bring the 346 00:15:55,890 --> 00:15:54,310 animal there they do all the 347 00:15:57,660 --> 00:15:55,900 slaughtering and processing themselves 348 00:15:59,400 --> 00:15:57,670 and and they know the ranchers they know 349 00:16:02,280 --> 00:15:59,410 the animals they've worked with them and 350 00:16:04,470 --> 00:16:02,290 and that kind of that's really 351 00:16:06,240 --> 00:16:04,480 comforting for people out here is we we 352 00:16:09,000 --> 00:16:06,250 want to know if we're getting meat 353 00:16:10,440 --> 00:16:09,010 that's not meat we got ourselves we want 354 00:16:12,300 --> 00:16:10,450 to know where it came from that it's 355 00:16:14,190 --> 00:16:12,310 clean that it's not being shipped over 356 00:16:16,620 --> 00:16:14,200 to China to be processed and sent back 357 00:16:18,150 --> 00:16:16,630 to us and and that's there's a very big 358 00:16:19,710 --> 00:16:18,160 market for that here and I think there's 359 00:16:23,070 --> 00:16:19,720 a lot of other places in the u.s. like 360 00:16:25,440 --> 00:16:23,080 that as well the hunters I spoke to told 361 00:16:28,080 --> 00:16:25,450 me just as you actually covered so well 362 00:16:30,690 --> 00:16:28,090 how they go through great lengths to 363 00:16:34,980 --> 00:16:30,700 hide themselves not only to retire or 364 00:16:36,990 --> 00:16:34,990 whatever they can afford but also you 365 00:16:38,310 --> 00:16:37,000 know setting themselves up ahead of time 366 00:16:41,220 --> 00:16:38,320 in the forest 367 00:16:44,069 --> 00:16:41,230 to go to that area later to sit in a 368 00:16:46,290 --> 00:16:44,079 tree to continue their hunting but they 369 00:16:50,939 --> 00:16:46,300 they go through great links through sent 370 00:16:52,920 --> 00:16:50,949 a one hunter I spoke to said he actually 371 00:16:56,009 --> 00:16:52,930 puts his hunting clothes in a garbage 372 00:16:58,530 --> 00:16:56,019 bag for a week in order to attain the 373 00:17:00,540 --> 00:16:58,540 kind of scent he feels he needs in order 374 00:17:03,180 --> 00:17:00,550 to camouflage himself because the last 375 00:17:06,000 --> 00:17:03,190 thing he wants is a human scent on him 376 00:17:07,949 --> 00:17:06,010 in the woods he also mentioned that's 377 00:17:09,689 --> 00:17:07,959 why they sell things like urine these 378 00:17:11,039 --> 00:17:09,699 things are all familiar to you can you 379 00:17:16,079 --> 00:17:11,049 go into that a little bit 380 00:17:19,429 --> 00:17:16,089 oh yeah it's it's a process my my wife 381 00:17:21,870 --> 00:17:19,439 actually bought some yes like some 382 00:17:23,819 --> 00:17:21,880 OxiClean detergent or something and 383 00:17:26,970 --> 00:17:23,829 didn't tell me and I washed all of my 384 00:17:29,130 --> 00:17:26,980 hunting clothes with it the day before I 385 00:17:31,470 --> 00:17:29,140 was going out and I I just I didn't know 386 00:17:33,360 --> 00:17:31,480 what to do I mean it smelled so strongly 387 00:17:35,520 --> 00:17:33,370 and it's meant to you know a lot of 388 00:17:38,490 --> 00:17:35,530 people like that and especially stinky 389 00:17:40,530 --> 00:17:38,500 people I assume but it was a huge 390 00:17:42,600 --> 00:17:40,540 negative for what I was trying to do so 391 00:17:44,399 --> 00:17:42,610 I had to like go through all of my old 392 00:17:46,710 --> 00:17:44,409 hunting clothes and try to find things 393 00:17:48,419 --> 00:17:46,720 that I could wear and then those I put 394 00:17:50,850 --> 00:17:48,429 outside for about a week washed them 395 00:17:52,350 --> 00:17:50,860 again and some scent free stuff and no 396 00:17:55,500 --> 00:17:52,360 it's it's a huge part of it these 397 00:17:57,480 --> 00:17:55,510 animals can smell tremendously well and 398 00:18:00,240 --> 00:17:57,490 well that may be a good thing you know 399 00:18:02,310 --> 00:18:00,250 if you have a scent you know and you 400 00:18:04,950 --> 00:18:02,320 don't want bears to come up and eat you 401 00:18:07,530 --> 00:18:04,960 it can be good in that respect but the 402 00:18:09,780 --> 00:18:07,540 deer and the elk and or if you are 403 00:18:12,060 --> 00:18:09,790 hunting bears or other animals with 404 00:18:13,770 --> 00:18:12,070 really big noses that can smell very 405 00:18:16,590 --> 00:18:13,780 well it's definitely a problem and and 406 00:18:19,409 --> 00:18:16,600 we spend a lot of time really managing 407 00:18:21,299 --> 00:18:19,419 scent putting up blinds I personally 408 00:18:24,419 --> 00:18:21,309 can't hunt from a tree or a blind 409 00:18:26,580 --> 00:18:24,429 because I get really bored and I end up 410 00:18:28,289 --> 00:18:26,590 just typing on my phone or something and 411 00:18:31,110 --> 00:18:28,299 then an animal walks by and I never see 412 00:18:34,830 --> 00:18:31,120 it so I I'm out there actively you know 413 00:18:37,470 --> 00:18:34,840 hiking around stalking just just you 414 00:18:39,630 --> 00:18:37,480 know tracking but yeah that's a really 415 00:18:41,730 --> 00:18:39,640 important part of it and in many places 416 00:18:43,980 --> 00:18:41,740 that's definitely the best way to do it 417 00:18:45,600 --> 00:18:43,990 but out here in Montana you don't see a 418 00:18:47,070 --> 00:18:45,610 lot of tree stand honey and her blind 419 00:18:49,020 --> 00:18:47,080 hunting the same way you do in the 420 00:18:50,730 --> 00:18:49,030 Midwest the last thing I want to cover 421 00:18:52,020 --> 00:18:50,740 before I go straight any the questions 422 00:18:54,690 --> 00:18:52,030 with you well 423 00:18:57,540 --> 00:18:54,700 how hunters use all their senses 424 00:18:58,980 --> 00:18:57,550 including intuition to detect danger or 425 00:19:03,270 --> 00:18:58,990 something on a place around them in the 426 00:19:07,980 --> 00:19:03,280 woods and how animals do use that to the 427 00:19:10,020 --> 00:19:07,990 hunter I spoke to said this he said when 428 00:19:13,080 --> 00:19:10,030 there's something not right one of the 429 00:19:15,120 --> 00:19:13,090 things he notices is not just his own 430 00:19:17,220 --> 00:19:15,130 intuition telling him there's something 431 00:19:20,010 --> 00:19:17,230 not right or out of place in the woods 432 00:19:22,710 --> 00:19:20,020 whether he's hunting or not it's when 433 00:19:25,470 --> 00:19:22,720 the animals act strange or their 434 00:19:27,090 --> 00:19:25,480 behavior is odd how do you can you can 435 00:19:28,020 --> 00:19:27,100 you give us a little bit of insight 436 00:19:31,130 --> 00:19:28,030 regarding that 437 00:19:33,870 --> 00:19:31,140 yeah squirrels and birds especially 438 00:19:35,730 --> 00:19:33,880 there they're up high they see things 439 00:19:38,160 --> 00:19:35,740 before we do 440 00:19:41,340 --> 00:19:38,170 I've had many squirrels blow out my own 441 00:19:43,050 --> 00:19:41,350 hunt if I stop in an area and I'm 442 00:19:45,300 --> 00:19:43,060 watching a little ravine or something 443 00:19:47,430 --> 00:19:45,310 and a squirrel sees me they just go nuts 444 00:19:49,710 --> 00:19:47,440 they're throwing stuff at me they're 445 00:19:51,330 --> 00:19:49,720 chattering really loudly and and I have 446 00:19:53,640 --> 00:19:51,340 to move because they're warning other 447 00:19:55,830 --> 00:19:53,650 animals that I'm there but yeah you can 448 00:19:57,960 --> 00:19:55,840 also listen to them for warnings about 449 00:20:00,060 --> 00:19:57,970 other things that may be around you as 450 00:20:02,340 --> 00:20:00,070 well just to jump in with a little 451 00:20:06,180 --> 00:20:02,350 anecdote we had hurricane sandy here in 452 00:20:08,070 --> 00:20:06,190 the East few years back and you we knew 453 00:20:09,570 --> 00:20:08,080 it was coming you could see the 454 00:20:11,340 --> 00:20:09,580 difference in the behavior of the 455 00:20:13,350 --> 00:20:11,350 squirrels no doubt about it they they 456 00:20:14,700 --> 00:20:13,360 knew something was up and they were 457 00:20:18,330 --> 00:20:14,710 barking their heads off for sure 458 00:20:20,640 --> 00:20:18,340 earthquakes too we we have earthquakes 459 00:20:22,560 --> 00:20:20,650 out here from time to time one shook the 460 00:20:24,060 --> 00:20:22,570 hell out of us last year it scared the 461 00:20:26,550 --> 00:20:24,070 crap out of me 3:00 in the morning I 462 00:20:28,620 --> 00:20:26,560 think it was like a five nine or six two 463 00:20:31,680 --> 00:20:28,630 or something like that but yeah the 464 00:20:33,600 --> 00:20:31,690 animals were there they're aware of it 465 00:20:36,030 --> 00:20:33,610 the aftershocks especially I could see 466 00:20:37,800 --> 00:20:36,040 my dogs and cats really even before it 467 00:20:42,030 --> 00:20:37,810 would happen they'd have a sense of 468 00:20:43,500 --> 00:20:42,040 these things that we don't the hunter I 469 00:20:45,750 --> 00:20:43,510 spoke to you by the way and there are 470 00:20:47,640 --> 00:20:45,760 multiple ones one of them was in his 90s 471 00:20:49,530 --> 00:20:47,650 and he spoke very softly so you'll need 472 00:20:52,410 --> 00:20:49,540 to correct me on the data he gave me 473 00:20:54,000 --> 00:20:52,420 it's one or the other but he said and 474 00:20:56,160 --> 00:20:54,010 you'll see why I'm asking this question 475 00:20:59,520 --> 00:20:56,170 a bit but he said most hunters use 476 00:21:02,070 --> 00:20:59,530 rifles in other states not shotguns and 477 00:21:04,500 --> 00:21:02,080 he's from Michigan by the way but he 478 00:21:05,930 --> 00:21:04,510 went on to say that 12-gauge is usually 479 00:21:08,899 --> 00:21:05,940 used for big gain 480 00:21:11,180 --> 00:21:08,909 and then for smaller game and then he 481 00:21:15,850 --> 00:21:11,190 went on to say by the way regarding big 482 00:21:20,210 --> 00:21:15,860 game shotguns or rifles our 30 odd 6:30 483 00:21:25,249 --> 00:21:20,220 6:30 30s 308 and then for smaller game 484 00:21:26,899 --> 00:21:25,259 they use 20 gauge and 4/10 can you can 485 00:21:29,720 --> 00:21:26,909 you give me a you know obviously I'm not 486 00:21:32,060 --> 00:21:29,730 educated about guns in this respect can 487 00:21:35,990 --> 00:21:32,070 you tell me what kinds of guns people 488 00:21:37,850 --> 00:21:36,000 use for big game and for small game well 489 00:21:40,159 --> 00:21:37,860 out here yeah we're allowed to use 490 00:21:43,029 --> 00:21:40,169 rifles because you know things are so 491 00:21:45,680 --> 00:21:43,039 far apart and people are farther apart 492 00:21:50,119 --> 00:21:45,690 but you're right and in the Midwest they 493 00:21:52,840 --> 00:21:50,129 mostly use a slug within a 12 gauge slug 494 00:21:55,999 --> 00:21:52,850 one of the higher calibers you can get 495 00:21:58,999 --> 00:21:56,009 but no out here I use a 30.6 it's one of 496 00:22:03,759 --> 00:21:59,009 the largest caliber rifles it's heavier 497 00:22:06,200 --> 00:22:03,769 it's got a bigger kick it's louder but 498 00:22:07,700 --> 00:22:06,210 again and honoring the animal you want 499 00:22:10,610 --> 00:22:07,710 to make sure it doesn't suffer so 500 00:22:14,090 --> 00:22:10,620 knowing that you're getting a good clean 501 00:22:15,919 --> 00:22:14,100 shot with a high-powered rifle usually 502 00:22:18,769 --> 00:22:15,929 you know the animal just drops right 503 00:22:21,440 --> 00:22:18,779 there so I appreciate that about where I 504 00:22:24,200 --> 00:22:21,450 live is knowing that you you have the 505 00:22:26,419 --> 00:22:24,210 opportunity to use a weapon that that 506 00:22:28,879 --> 00:22:26,429 won't cause any suffering and and can 507 00:22:31,820 --> 00:22:28,889 just you know do it as quickly and 508 00:22:33,879 --> 00:22:31,830 painlessly as possible wanted to ask you 509 00:22:36,259 --> 00:22:33,889 about the topic of extraterrestrials 510 00:22:38,840 --> 00:22:36,269 landing on our planet 511 00:22:41,060 --> 00:22:38,850 I happen to believe I just want to share 512 00:22:42,919 --> 00:22:41,070 this with yourself in the audience that 513 00:22:46,999 --> 00:22:42,929 extraterrestrial civilizations have been 514 00:22:48,590 --> 00:22:47,009 visiting our planet for eons I think any 515 00:22:51,350 --> 00:22:48,600 honest million years but I think they've 516 00:22:53,210 --> 00:22:51,360 been visiting our planet for for 517 00:22:57,680 --> 00:22:53,220 millions hundreds of millions of years 518 00:22:58,940 --> 00:22:57,690 and I think there's any any number of 519 00:23:02,299 --> 00:22:58,950 them that there's countless different 520 00:23:06,169 --> 00:23:02,309 types wanted to ask you if you haven't 521 00:23:08,419 --> 00:23:06,179 found I'm sorry if you secretly spy an 522 00:23:11,690 --> 00:23:08,429 extraterrestrial presence abducting 523 00:23:16,759 --> 00:23:11,700 people deep in the woods whether you're 524 00:23:19,280 --> 00:23:16,769 hunting or not and do you go run and 525 00:23:22,070 --> 00:23:19,290 protect your family or do you strategy 526 00:23:23,750 --> 00:23:22,080 how to help those being abducted or 527 00:23:24,290 --> 00:23:23,760 perhaps you have a different plan in 528 00:23:28,010 --> 00:23:24,300 mind 529 00:23:30,920 --> 00:23:28,020 again if you secretly spy an et presence 530 00:23:33,110 --> 00:23:30,930 deep in the woods going through the 531 00:23:34,820 --> 00:23:33,120 throes of having abducted people in 532 00:23:37,340 --> 00:23:34,830 other words they already have them and 533 00:23:40,550 --> 00:23:37,350 they're bringing more on to their ship 534 00:23:43,420 --> 00:23:40,560 and it's landed there in the forest what 535 00:23:48,410 --> 00:23:43,430 do you do and they have not detected you 536 00:23:49,790 --> 00:23:48,420 I probably go help them to be honest and 537 00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:49,800 and when you say them you mean the 538 00:23:54,110 --> 00:23:52,410 people is that right no I mean the extra 539 00:23:57,680 --> 00:23:54,120 tempest' riyals that are picking them up 540 00:24:00,050 --> 00:23:57,690 I see them as people to just simply 541 00:24:02,900 --> 00:24:00,060 people from our future doing research 542 00:24:05,090 --> 00:24:02,910 into the past so I I mean in all of 543 00:24:07,760 --> 00:24:05,100 these reports you see we're talking 544 00:24:10,490 --> 00:24:07,770 about people abducting people just from 545 00:24:12,350 --> 00:24:10,500 different times and and I know you know 546 00:24:15,500 --> 00:24:12,360 the dominant worldview is that they're 547 00:24:18,230 --> 00:24:15,510 coming from a different planet there's 548 00:24:21,140 --> 00:24:18,240 many many reasons why it seems more 549 00:24:23,120 --> 00:24:21,150 likely that they are simply us from the 550 00:24:25,340 --> 00:24:23,130 future one of the big parts about it 551 00:24:27,950 --> 00:24:25,350 look at the structure look at the form 552 00:24:30,650 --> 00:24:27,960 of these these alien beings they have 553 00:24:32,930 --> 00:24:30,660 the same characteristics as the people 554 00:24:35,510 --> 00:24:32,940 they're abducting they have big heads 555 00:24:38,420 --> 00:24:35,520 small faces two arms two legs five 556 00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:38,430 fingers on each one they're shaped the 557 00:24:42,740 --> 00:24:40,890 same way they have technology very 558 00:24:45,020 --> 00:24:42,750 similar to our own but obviously more 559 00:24:47,120 --> 00:24:45,030 advanced so there's many reasons to 560 00:24:49,370 --> 00:24:47,130 think that that they're simply 561 00:24:51,170 --> 00:24:49,380 conducting research into the past and 562 00:24:55,100 --> 00:24:51,180 based on what they do and these 563 00:24:57,080 --> 00:24:55,110 abduction reports you know it very much 564 00:24:59,030 --> 00:24:57,090 mimics what I would do as a modern 565 00:25:01,400 --> 00:24:59,040 anthropologist if I was going back in 566 00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:01,410 time and studying people as well and and 567 00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:02,490 you know if they were picking them up 568 00:25:07,280 --> 00:25:04,890 and harvesting their organs or something 569 00:25:08,840 --> 00:25:07,290 absolutely I'd go try to intervene in 570 00:25:11,030 --> 00:25:08,850 that case or if they were like spider 571 00:25:13,250 --> 00:25:11,040 creatures or something but but they're 572 00:25:15,590 --> 00:25:13,260 not and every single abduction account 573 00:25:19,550 --> 00:25:15,600 they're describing bipedal upright 574 00:25:21,740 --> 00:25:19,560 walking humanoid forms who don't hurt us 575 00:25:25,010 --> 00:25:21,750 in any way in fact they go out of their 576 00:25:27,410 --> 00:25:25,020 way to tell us you know no harm will 577 00:25:29,540 --> 00:25:27,420 come to you and they they try to you 578 00:25:30,740 --> 00:25:29,550 know immobilize us to keep us from doing 579 00:25:33,110 --> 00:25:30,750 something that could be seen as 580 00:25:34,670 --> 00:25:33,120 dangerous and they try to 581 00:25:36,470 --> 00:25:34,680 you know wash their memory clean it's a 582 00:25:38,300 --> 00:25:36,480 very common thing in abduction reports 583 00:25:39,620 --> 00:25:38,310 as well as to try to give them a clouded 584 00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:39,630 memory probably to help with the 585 00:25:45,350 --> 00:25:42,810 psychological pain that comes with such 586 00:25:47,690 --> 00:25:45,360 a traumatic experience so so no this 587 00:25:49,820 --> 00:25:47,700 probably isn't a very common response 588 00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:49,830 but I I don't see anything wrong with 589 00:25:54,770 --> 00:25:51,450 what they're doing and in fact it's 590 00:25:56,900 --> 00:25:54,780 probably very important for their own 591 00:25:59,720 --> 00:25:56,910 knowledge acquisition and their own 592 00:26:04,370 --> 00:25:59,730 scientific studies in the future so I I 593 00:26:06,860 --> 00:26:04,380 would either just observe or if given 594 00:26:09,860 --> 00:26:06,870 the opportunity try to become a part of 595 00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:09,870 the the research expedition in our time 596 00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:13,890 I'm glad you brought up the topic of a 597 00:26:18,410 --> 00:26:16,170 futurist you know features topic 598 00:26:21,110 --> 00:26:18,420 regarding aliens from the future as you 599 00:26:25,460 --> 00:26:21,120 know Jim Penniston and many others 600 00:26:27,500 --> 00:26:25,470 believe in that kind of theory also you 601 00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:27,510 know it's funny you actually touched on 602 00:26:31,310 --> 00:26:29,250 a topic because right after this I was 603 00:26:34,070 --> 00:26:31,320 going to ask you about ancient aliens to 604 00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:34,080 theory and aliens from the future but 605 00:26:40,010 --> 00:26:38,010 you already covered it I did have two 606 00:26:43,070 --> 00:26:40,020 questions regarding what you just said 607 00:26:47,750 --> 00:26:43,080 you said a very interesting term that is 608 00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:47,760 not necessarily commonly known in UF 609 00:26:52,310 --> 00:26:50,010 ology and I'd love for people to know 610 00:26:54,140 --> 00:26:52,320 more about it and it's not actually a 611 00:26:56,750 --> 00:26:54,150 term that I can say very well I think 612 00:26:58,700 --> 00:26:56,760 you said extra temp can you see it again 613 00:27:01,640 --> 00:26:58,710 because I'm not good at saying it yeah 614 00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:01,650 extra tempest really just replaces the 615 00:27:09,350 --> 00:27:05,250 Latin root ter meaning earth with taunt 616 00:27:12,380 --> 00:27:09,360 meaning time which is a common word in 617 00:27:15,110 --> 00:27:12,390 French Spanish other Latin language 618 00:27:17,390 --> 00:27:15,120 derivatives so so I feel that it's a 619 00:27:19,130 --> 00:27:17,400 more accurate term for what these 620 00:27:22,460 --> 00:27:19,140 individuals are rather than being from 621 00:27:24,830 --> 00:27:22,470 outside earth I see them as being from a 622 00:27:26,900 --> 00:27:24,840 time in our future still right here on 623 00:27:28,970 --> 00:27:26,910 planet earth in the same way that we're 624 00:27:30,740 --> 00:27:28,980 moving around in the same space as 625 00:27:32,780 --> 00:27:30,750 people a hundred thousand years ago two 626 00:27:35,330 --> 00:27:32,790 million years ago and so on they're 627 00:27:37,670 --> 00:27:35,340 likely still here on this planet just at 628 00:27:40,430 --> 00:27:37,680 a time in the future that postdates are 629 00:27:45,740 --> 00:27:40,440 present it's interesting because the 630 00:27:49,700 --> 00:27:45,750 free organization that were Nereo at man 631 00:27:52,250 --> 00:27:49,710 is helping to run I think it's the Edgar 632 00:27:54,650 --> 00:27:52,260 Mitchell organization they actually 633 00:27:58,460 --> 00:27:54,660 don't like using the term UFO they think 634 00:28:00,890 --> 00:27:58,470 it's a materialist term and they have 635 00:28:03,410 --> 00:28:00,900 different terms regarding terminology 636 00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:03,420 regarding the subject recovering so it 637 00:28:09,050 --> 00:28:05,610 just seems like different parts 638 00:28:11,180 --> 00:28:09,060 different folks involved in the realm of 639 00:28:13,550 --> 00:28:11,190 UF ology all have terms you need to 640 00:28:15,590 --> 00:28:13,560 their own perspectives I'm glad you're 641 00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:15,600 able to bring up this term so we can all 642 00:28:19,700 --> 00:28:17,490 learn about it now you said something 643 00:28:23,570 --> 00:28:19,710 that's really important I wanted to hone 644 00:28:27,890 --> 00:28:23,580 in on you said if they were that you 645 00:28:30,260 --> 00:28:27,900 would intervene regarding this scenario 646 00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:30,270 if you felt that humans were actually 647 00:28:37,010 --> 00:28:33,690 being used in a manner that felt was 648 00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:37,020 unacceptable to you if you needed to do 649 00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:39,210 that and they were being harmed in a 650 00:28:45,740 --> 00:28:42,090 brutal manner what would you do with 651 00:28:51,470 --> 00:28:45,750 your gun in hand I would put my gun down 652 00:28:56,870 --> 00:28:51,480 first and foremost and probably try to 653 00:28:58,690 --> 00:28:56,880 advocate for scientific ethics to be 654 00:29:01,390 --> 00:28:58,700 honest we have something called the 655 00:29:04,070 --> 00:29:01,400 institutional review board where as 656 00:29:06,890 --> 00:29:04,080 researchers were required to adhere to a 657 00:29:09,620 --> 00:29:06,900 code of ethics and and if that wasn't 658 00:29:11,090 --> 00:29:09,630 being followed I mean I I'm under the 659 00:29:14,870 --> 00:29:11,100 impression that it still exists in the 660 00:29:16,700 --> 00:29:14,880 future based on the way in which this 661 00:29:18,740 --> 00:29:16,710 research is carried out based on 662 00:29:21,410 --> 00:29:18,750 numerous abduction reports that have 663 00:29:22,850 --> 00:29:21,420 investigated over the years but and in a 664 00:29:25,060 --> 00:29:22,860 situation where it wasn't you know 665 00:29:28,280 --> 00:29:25,070 perhaps it's far enough in the future 666 00:29:30,770 --> 00:29:28,290 that they don't really see our humanity 667 00:29:33,500 --> 00:29:30,780 as much and it's easy to do you know if 668 00:29:36,560 --> 00:29:33,510 if you and I on frank went back and 669 00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:36,570 picked up somebody from you know 200 670 00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:38,970 years ago it's very easy to see their 671 00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:41,250 humaneness and you know we may even be 672 00:29:45,110 --> 00:29:43,170 able to communicate with them rather 673 00:29:46,700 --> 00:29:45,120 easily but going back you know five 674 00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:46,710 million years into the past now we're 675 00:29:51,590 --> 00:29:49,050 starting to get in to a morphological 676 00:29:54,830 --> 00:29:51,600 form that looks much more like you know 677 00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:54,840 the common chimpanzee today and you go 678 00:29:57,830 --> 00:29:56,250 back thirty million years and you're 679 00:29:59,670 --> 00:29:57,840 looking at something more akin to a 680 00:30:01,800 --> 00:29:59,680 macaque that we on 681 00:30:06,390 --> 00:30:01,810 fortunately do perform a lot of very 682 00:30:08,730 --> 00:30:06,400 negative biomedical experiments on so so 683 00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:08,740 I don't know perhaps you know it's that 684 00:30:15,570 --> 00:30:12,450 temporal distance between us that makes 685 00:30:17,250 --> 00:30:15,580 some difference but but honestly you 686 00:30:18,780 --> 00:30:17,260 know it really does seem from these 687 00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:18,790 abduction reports that they are 688 00:30:24,120 --> 00:30:22,090 attempting to be ethical if that weren't 689 00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:24,130 the case or like I said if it was some 690 00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:26,530 sort of you know octopus monster or 691 00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:29,170 spider creature I'd start I'd start 692 00:30:35,430 --> 00:30:33,250 laying down some fire probably lay down 693 00:30:38,070 --> 00:30:35,440 put my rifle on my bag and start taking 694 00:30:39,860 --> 00:30:38,080 some some accurate shots from a distance 695 00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:39,870 as long as I could 696 00:30:44,040 --> 00:30:42,490 I'm gonna go back to that and if it 697 00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:44,050 because I have another question but I 698 00:30:47,910 --> 00:30:46,450 have another question for you that you 699 00:30:50,010 --> 00:30:47,920 may have already answered but I still 700 00:30:52,320 --> 00:30:50,020 want you to touch on it a little bit and 701 00:30:54,990 --> 00:30:52,330 that is you have found an area deep in 702 00:30:57,480 --> 00:30:55,000 the woods where ETS have a craft and 703 00:31:00,870 --> 00:30:57,490 they are working they they have a craft 704 00:31:02,900 --> 00:31:00,880 it's landed and they are busy working on 705 00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:02,910 collecting data for their own research 706 00:31:06,780 --> 00:31:04,810 you know this because they 707 00:31:08,820 --> 00:31:06,790 telepathically related to you and 708 00:31:11,010 --> 00:31:08,830 they've also let you know telepathically 709 00:31:13,650 --> 00:31:11,020 they don't want any trouble you just so 710 00:31:17,310 --> 00:31:13,660 happen to have your gun in hand what are 711 00:31:19,020 --> 00:31:17,320 you going to do well I'm really hoping 712 00:31:23,490 --> 00:31:19,030 that happens in a couple months to be 713 00:31:28,470 --> 00:31:23,500 honest I have a former student who is a 714 00:31:30,420 --> 00:31:28,480 hunting guide on a ranch that as part of 715 00:31:32,850 --> 00:31:30,430 an area known as Red Gate they made a 716 00:31:35,670 --> 00:31:32,860 documentary film about it back and I 717 00:31:37,170 --> 00:31:35,680 think 2005 but it's not far from here 718 00:31:39,390 --> 00:31:37,180 it's only about a half hour from where I 719 00:31:42,060 --> 00:31:39,400 live around an area called Deer Lodge 720 00:31:45,300 --> 00:31:42,070 Montana but this Red Gate area has been 721 00:31:49,500 --> 00:31:45,310 a hotspot of UFO activity for decades 722 00:31:52,350 --> 00:31:49,510 and it's very well-known that you know 723 00:31:54,090 --> 00:31:52,360 there's there's constantly what I refer 724 00:31:57,510 --> 00:31:54,100 to as IFOS because I also don't like the 725 00:31:59,970 --> 00:31:57,520 term UFO IFOS extraterrestrial sightings 726 00:32:04,380 --> 00:31:59,980 all over this area 727 00:32:07,710 --> 00:32:04,390 in fact my my former student puts game 728 00:32:10,470 --> 00:32:07,720 cameras or game traps camera traps out 729 00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:10,480 all over this area you know to aid in 730 00:32:13,250 --> 00:32:12,850 there they're bringing guests out to the 731 00:32:16,250 --> 00:32:13,260 hunting 732 00:32:18,380 --> 00:32:16,260 and he sent me a picture he captured one 733 00:32:21,140 --> 00:32:18,390 of the weirdest looking things I've ever 734 00:32:24,460 --> 00:32:21,150 seen on a game camera and sent it to me 735 00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:24,470 it's just this this very sort of cryptid 736 00:32:29,390 --> 00:32:27,450 extra tempest Realty form but what was 737 00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:29,400 interesting about it is that these 738 00:32:34,460 --> 00:32:31,650 camera traps are set up to take three 739 00:32:37,580 --> 00:32:34,470 very rapid pictures right in a row in 740 00:32:39,560 --> 00:32:37,590 sequence and that that weird form was 741 00:32:43,130 --> 00:32:39,570 only on one of them it was in the frame 742 00:32:44,990 --> 00:32:43,140 and then just instantly disappeared but 743 00:32:46,580 --> 00:32:45,000 he's taken me out there in a couple 744 00:32:47,900 --> 00:32:46,590 months to this red gate area it's now 745 00:32:49,580 --> 00:32:47,910 under private ownership 746 00:32:52,010 --> 00:32:49,590 unfortunately it's happening with a lot 747 00:32:54,169 --> 00:32:52,020 of public land around Montana it's 748 00:32:57,140 --> 00:32:54,179 getting swallowed up by private owners 749 00:32:58,850 --> 00:32:57,150 but he still has access to it since he 750 00:33:01,130 --> 00:32:58,860 works there and he's gonna take me up so 751 00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:01,140 hopefully yeah hopefully we come across 752 00:33:07,460 --> 00:33:04,410 some some extra time passed really IFO 753 00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:07,470 and they're like you know hey we're 754 00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:10,770 doing stuff over here don't shoot us if 755 00:33:15,919 --> 00:33:12,690 it's possible for me to communicate 756 00:33:19,100 --> 00:33:15,929 telepathically back to them I'd I'd say 757 00:33:22,039 --> 00:33:19,110 sweet and can I get a ride you know can 758 00:33:23,750 --> 00:33:22,049 can you give me a tour your your craft I 759 00:33:25,700 --> 00:33:23,760 think that would be awesome and and 760 00:33:27,919 --> 00:33:25,710 honestly like you know talking about 761 00:33:31,070 --> 00:33:27,929 this so much with my my wife and 762 00:33:32,360 --> 00:33:31,080 children over the years I think if I was 763 00:33:34,990 --> 00:33:32,370 with them they'd be on board too 764 00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:35,000 honestly like they don't have a fear of 765 00:33:39,770 --> 00:33:38,490 these aliens they they don't they don't 766 00:33:41,810 --> 00:33:39,780 have this sense that they're 767 00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:41,820 extraterrestrial they have a sense that 768 00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:44,690 they're just us and in the future so 769 00:33:49,220 --> 00:33:46,650 understanding the phenomenon that way 770 00:33:51,860 --> 00:33:49,230 takes a lot of these fear aspects out of 771 00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:51,870 it and you know looking back at it Orson 772 00:33:56,270 --> 00:33:54,450 Welles is you know rebroadcast of HG 773 00:33:58,580 --> 00:33:56,280 Wells as the War of the Worlds and the 774 00:34:00,830 --> 00:33:58,590 thirties I think it was 38 maybe it was 775 00:34:02,450 --> 00:34:00,840 a very different reaction you know and 776 00:34:04,940 --> 00:34:02,460 even today I think a lot of people would 777 00:34:07,190 --> 00:34:04,950 still be very freaked out if that 778 00:34:10,159 --> 00:34:07,200 situation you just described happen but 779 00:34:12,619 --> 00:34:10,169 about me my family our friend group 780 00:34:15,560 --> 00:34:12,629 people I hunt with I think we would 781 00:34:19,149 --> 00:34:15,570 probably approach them and and introduce 782 00:34:21,889 --> 00:34:19,159 ourselves and be very friendly there's a 783 00:34:24,310 --> 00:34:21,899 you know I don't know why it's happening 784 00:34:26,690 --> 00:34:24,320 to me right now but I actually 785 00:34:29,270 --> 00:34:26,700 remembered right before the show 786 00:34:30,829 --> 00:34:29,280 the name of a case where and I'm Frank 787 00:34:32,750 --> 00:34:30,839 will probably chime in and let us know 788 00:34:36,260 --> 00:34:32,760 the name of the case I'm hoping but 789 00:34:38,599 --> 00:34:36,270 there was a frog looking like creature 790 00:34:43,369 --> 00:34:38,609 I'm sorry frog like creature and that 791 00:34:46,369 --> 00:34:43,379 came out a craft in front of a few 792 00:34:49,879 --> 00:34:46,379 people and they witnessed it and it was 793 00:34:51,649 --> 00:34:49,889 this massive looking frog or toad and I 794 00:34:54,310 --> 00:34:51,659 think it happened like in the 50s the 795 00:34:58,460 --> 00:34:54,320 40s or the 50s it's a famous case and 796 00:35:01,099 --> 00:34:58,470 they said it he was not bothering 797 00:35:03,079 --> 00:35:01,109 anybody and he just then they think he 798 00:35:05,030 --> 00:35:03,089 got back in his craft and took off I 799 00:35:07,640 --> 00:35:05,040 have to check on that but I know that 800 00:35:11,240 --> 00:35:07,650 that creature was spied by multiple 801 00:35:13,430 --> 00:35:11,250 witnesses my point here is nature 802 00:35:15,710 --> 00:35:13,440 appears to have I'm sorry Nature has 803 00:35:18,290 --> 00:35:15,720 different kinds of creatures as you know 804 00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:18,300 in the ocean and there's probably 805 00:35:23,120 --> 00:35:20,130 countless creatures that all look 806 00:35:24,859 --> 00:35:23,130 different from one another and on the 807 00:35:27,410 --> 00:35:24,869 surface of the planet there's different 808 00:35:30,770 --> 00:35:27,420 looking kinds too and if you look at 809 00:35:33,140 --> 00:35:30,780 them they're really weird-looking like 810 00:35:35,089 --> 00:35:33,150 recently I think we've seen through the 811 00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:35,099 years creatures that have come out of 812 00:35:40,309 --> 00:35:38,010 the ocean and landed and they just are 813 00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:40,319 probably creatures that we haven't seen 814 00:35:47,329 --> 00:35:43,890 for supposedly millions of years and or 815 00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:47,339 we thought they were extinct what I'm 816 00:35:51,290 --> 00:35:49,650 getting at here is when you said if a 817 00:35:56,059 --> 00:35:51,300 creature looks different than say a 818 00:35:58,220 --> 00:35:56,069 human that you would consider violence 819 00:36:00,650 --> 00:35:58,230 against it what about the fact that 820 00:36:04,190 --> 00:36:00,660 there's creatures on the planet more 821 00:36:06,859 --> 00:36:04,200 creatures that don't look human and the 822 00:36:09,109 --> 00:36:06,869 possibility of ETS that may look like 823 00:36:13,670 --> 00:36:09,119 those creatures coming here what would 824 00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:13,680 you do then well I think it's important 825 00:36:19,609 --> 00:36:16,650 to acknowledge something in what you 826 00:36:22,069 --> 00:36:19,619 said - is that the creatures on this 827 00:36:24,500 --> 00:36:22,079 planet don't look like us there's very 828 00:36:26,329 --> 00:36:24,510 very few of them and there's billions of 829 00:36:30,650 --> 00:36:26,339 life-forms on this planet but we're the 830 00:36:32,420 --> 00:36:30,660 only one that is is upright walking that 831 00:36:34,430 --> 00:36:32,430 spent attack tool that can grasp with 832 00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:34,440 their hands that's relatively hairless 833 00:36:40,340 --> 00:36:37,050 that has the ability to even have these 834 00:36:43,750 --> 00:36:40,350 conversations to talk about these things 835 00:36:46,250 --> 00:36:43,760 so the rarity of that form here on earth 836 00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:46,260 you know looking at another solar system 837 00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:48,450 looking another planet with a different 838 00:36:52,640 --> 00:36:50,130 atmosphere different chemical 839 00:36:55,100 --> 00:36:52,650 composition different gravity different 840 00:36:56,720 --> 00:36:55,110 distance from its own Sun and all of the 841 00:36:59,060 --> 00:36:56,730 other things that that make up the 842 00:37:01,520 --> 00:36:59,070 physical properties of that planet make 843 00:37:03,590 --> 00:37:01,530 it even less likely that we would get 844 00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:03,600 something like us there as well it's so 845 00:37:08,210 --> 00:37:06,570 rare here it seems very unprovable that 846 00:37:10,190 --> 00:37:08,220 it would also happen there in the exact 847 00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:10,200 same way it did on this planet or that 848 00:37:13,490 --> 00:37:11,490 they could find us or that they could 849 00:37:16,220 --> 00:37:13,500 travel here or that they would travel 850 00:37:18,500 --> 00:37:16,230 all the way here and then just perform 851 00:37:21,350 --> 00:37:18,510 these covert medical examinations on us 852 00:37:23,750 --> 00:37:21,360 without any formal contact so so yeah if 853 00:37:25,820 --> 00:37:23,760 it was if it was a very different 854 00:37:29,660 --> 00:37:25,830 looking thing and and I you know I 855 00:37:31,460 --> 00:37:29,670 obviously feels pretty strongly about 856 00:37:33,020 --> 00:37:31,470 this I I spent the last seven years 857 00:37:36,230 --> 00:37:33,030 writing a book about this and I feel 858 00:37:38,660 --> 00:37:36,240 quite confident that this phenomenon can 859 00:37:41,270 --> 00:37:38,670 best be explained as future humans 860 00:37:46,640 --> 00:37:41,280 engaging in research into the past but 861 00:37:48,620 --> 00:37:46,650 if I was wrong if that IFO came down in 862 00:37:50,540 --> 00:37:48,630 front of me and a giant toad creature 863 00:37:53,780 --> 00:37:50,550 got out yeah I'd be a very different 864 00:37:55,880 --> 00:37:53,790 interaction you know my family would 865 00:37:58,670 --> 00:37:55,890 stop approaching it and probably run the 866 00:38:01,160 --> 00:37:58,680 other direction as fast as possible but 867 00:38:03,710 --> 00:38:01,170 I don't I don't think that would happen 868 00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:03,720 I honestly don't and those those reports 869 00:38:07,910 --> 00:38:06,210 exist you know and there's the more 870 00:38:10,640 --> 00:38:07,920 insect-like creatures the more reptilian 871 00:38:13,850 --> 00:38:10,650 like creatures which i think is just an 872 00:38:16,850 --> 00:38:13,860 aspect of a longer period of future 873 00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:16,860 evolution and obviously more differences 874 00:38:21,350 --> 00:38:19,050 in our temporal ancestry because of that 875 00:38:23,990 --> 00:38:21,360 but but yeah that would be a moment of 876 00:38:25,700 --> 00:38:24,000 reckoning for me absolutely the that I 877 00:38:28,070 --> 00:38:25,710 would need to think what do I do now 878 00:38:29,810 --> 00:38:28,080 because I was wrong but I I honestly 879 00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:29,820 don't think I don't think that's the 880 00:38:36,710 --> 00:38:33,690 case great the movie industry has spent 881 00:38:39,680 --> 00:38:36,720 billions of dollars covering the topic 882 00:38:41,780 --> 00:38:39,690 what we're talking about now regarding 883 00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:41,790 aliens and violence or aliens and 884 00:38:50,390 --> 00:38:47,010 nonviolence a few our Star Wars alien et 885 00:38:52,250 --> 00:38:50,400 Star Trek Terminator then there's also 886 00:38:53,720 --> 00:38:52,260 really interesting film I recommend 887 00:38:56,720 --> 00:38:53,730 people consider watching 888 00:38:58,640 --> 00:38:56,730 it's called 10 Cloverfield Lane which is 889 00:39:02,090 --> 00:38:58,650 a science fiction psychological horror 890 00:39:04,040 --> 00:39:02,100 film without giving it away it's about a 891 00:39:06,530 --> 00:39:04,050 woman who's captive and a survivalist 892 00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:06,540 bunker he claims to have saved her from 893 00:39:14,180 --> 00:39:10,890 an alien related apocalyptic attack what 894 00:39:20,030 --> 00:39:14,190 I was going to ask you is do you feel or 895 00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:20,040 do you think that the culture that the 896 00:39:27,350 --> 00:39:23,490 movies have the movie industry has 897 00:39:34,070 --> 00:39:27,360 helped to create regarding ETS is 898 00:39:36,740 --> 00:39:34,080 accurate well it's it's quite an 899 00:39:38,300 --> 00:39:36,750 interesting mix among those I think you 900 00:39:39,950 --> 00:39:38,310 could add gremlins to the list to 901 00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:39,960 another Steven Spielberg movie about 902 00:39:45,860 --> 00:39:43,410 aliens plenty of high-profile more 903 00:39:49,670 --> 00:39:45,870 positive contact type movies that are 904 00:39:51,770 --> 00:39:49,680 out there as well so yeah it's more than 905 00:39:54,110 --> 00:39:51,780 lean towards the the conflict related 906 00:39:57,910 --> 00:39:54,120 but not all of them and they're the ones 907 00:40:02,210 --> 00:39:57,920 that are very good Close Encounters 2001 908 00:40:08,240 --> 00:40:02,220 contact ege that star man is another one 909 00:40:10,700 --> 00:40:08,250 that Montana actually yeah yeah yeah I 910 00:40:13,220 --> 00:40:10,710 think the area does kind of attract some 911 00:40:14,810 --> 00:40:13,230 people from the show business industry 912 00:40:17,330 --> 00:40:14,820 you got I guess so you just want to kind 913 00:40:20,300 --> 00:40:17,340 of get away from it all Southern 914 00:40:22,850 --> 00:40:20,310 California but yeah there's a balance 915 00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:22,860 there and it's a I wish we'd see more of 916 00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:24,450 them I wish we'd see more of those type 917 00:40:29,420 --> 00:40:27,210 movies but they are out there so they do 918 00:40:32,440 --> 00:40:29,430 provide some check or some balance to 919 00:40:35,780 --> 00:40:32,450 the more conflict related contact movies 920 00:40:38,930 --> 00:40:35,790 yeah and I remember actually when I 921 00:40:42,860 --> 00:40:38,940 first started talking about this book I 922 00:40:46,730 --> 00:40:42,870 was contacted by someone who wrote and 923 00:40:48,380 --> 00:40:46,740 produced the first film for sci-fi that 924 00:40:51,080 --> 00:40:48,390 that was actually about time-traveling 925 00:40:54,530 --> 00:40:51,090 humans from the future coming back and 926 00:40:56,330 --> 00:40:54,540 abducting us and their past so we had a 927 00:40:58,310 --> 00:40:56,340 lot to talk about in that regard but 928 00:40:59,840 --> 00:40:58,320 yeah that's that's another film I can't 929 00:41:01,910 --> 00:40:59,850 remember the name of it right offhand 930 00:41:05,290 --> 00:41:01,920 but there's definitely some out there 931 00:41:07,840 --> 00:41:05,300 that do show a different side of things 932 00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:07,850 you know there's a show on right now 933 00:41:13,450 --> 00:41:10,010 called the word ville actually that 934 00:41:17,950 --> 00:41:13,460 shows pretty meaningful interactions 935 00:41:20,470 --> 00:41:17,960 among very humanoid some exactly human 936 00:41:24,280 --> 00:41:20,480 on living on moons of different solar 937 00:41:26,560 --> 00:41:24,290 systems but a very you know amenable 938 00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:26,570 interaction very cordial interactions 939 00:41:29,980 --> 00:41:28,010 among them but but yeah there's 940 00:41:31,510 --> 00:41:29,990 definitely and and that's probably just 941 00:41:33,820 --> 00:41:31,520 an aspect of the entertainment industry 942 00:41:35,500 --> 00:41:33,830 that you're gonna sell more tickets if 943 00:41:37,780 --> 00:41:35,510 you have these epic battles taking place 944 00:41:41,040 --> 00:41:37,790 and there's you know conflict and 945 00:41:43,570 --> 00:41:41,050 contention and different cultures 946 00:41:46,510 --> 00:41:43,580 culture clash you know among these 947 00:41:49,030 --> 00:41:46,520 different human species and human-like 948 00:41:51,040 --> 00:41:49,040 species so so yeah I mean you know I 949 00:41:53,890 --> 00:41:51,050 grew up with with Star Man I grew up 950 00:41:56,290 --> 00:41:53,900 with ET and you know this cute paedo 951 00:41:59,020 --> 00:41:56,300 morphic you know big-headed big eyed 952 00:42:00,609 --> 00:41:59,030 alien is sort of how I grew up with that 953 00:42:02,620 --> 00:42:00,619 I had the Atari game when it came out 954 00:42:04,390 --> 00:42:02,630 and I always thought you know be great 955 00:42:05,710 --> 00:42:04,400 to give Reese's Pieces to these cute 956 00:42:09,460 --> 00:42:05,720 little aliens if I found him in the 957 00:42:11,920 --> 00:42:09,470 backyard no I don't know it was only 958 00:42:15,070 --> 00:42:11,930 recently that I got into Star Wars and 959 00:42:16,630 --> 00:42:15,080 um you know gremlins scared the crap out 960 00:42:18,880 --> 00:42:16,640 of me as a kid so I didn't really watch 961 00:42:21,310 --> 00:42:18,890 that too much but well yeah there's 962 00:42:23,349 --> 00:42:21,320 there's a pretty interesting mix um some 963 00:42:26,650 --> 00:42:23,359 we get along with them some were at war 964 00:42:29,910 --> 00:42:26,660 with them but well what's interesting is 965 00:42:33,700 --> 00:42:29,920 in almost every case there tends to be 966 00:42:35,890 --> 00:42:33,710 this issue where you know can we find 967 00:42:39,580 --> 00:42:35,900 the way as humanity to come together and 968 00:42:42,460 --> 00:42:39,590 fight this more sophisticated force this 969 00:42:44,530 --> 00:42:42,470 more technologically advanced threat 970 00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:44,540 from outer space and you know there's 971 00:42:48,280 --> 00:42:46,010 there's something to be said for that 972 00:42:50,290 --> 00:42:48,290 aspect of it too that really seeing 973 00:42:53,320 --> 00:42:50,300 ourselves as one planet seeing ourselves 974 00:42:55,240 --> 00:42:53,330 as earth and earth against everybody you 975 00:42:57,730 --> 00:42:55,250 know and and we we get divided we're 976 00:42:59,560 --> 00:42:57,740 always at war with each other a lot of 977 00:43:01,450 --> 00:42:59,570 that's the aspect an aspect of the 978 00:43:03,430 --> 00:43:01,460 military-industrial complex how much 979 00:43:05,560 --> 00:43:03,440 money they make and individuals and 980 00:43:08,650 --> 00:43:05,570 governments make by keeping perpetual 981 00:43:10,990 --> 00:43:08,660 war going and and the aerospace industry 982 00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:11,000 especially finding new ways to kill 983 00:43:14,590 --> 00:43:12,890 people and we have to have a market for 984 00:43:16,840 --> 00:43:14,600 that there has to be demand so we create 985 00:43:19,090 --> 00:43:16,850 these wars but if there was some story 986 00:43:20,080 --> 00:43:19,100 about this again there are the ones who 987 00:43:24,820 --> 00:43:20,090 invent them 988 00:43:26,770 --> 00:43:24,830 some scientists not all Frank a lot of 989 00:43:30,720 --> 00:43:26,780 us actually I have a relative who works 990 00:43:35,200 --> 00:43:30,730 at a major one of you know the big 991 00:43:36,880 --> 00:43:35,210 defense aerospace defense institutions 992 00:43:38,410 --> 00:43:36,890 here in the US and he when he took the 993 00:43:39,910 --> 00:43:38,420 job he was very highly coveted he's a 994 00:43:41,590 --> 00:43:39,920 great engineer but when he took the job 995 00:43:44,770 --> 00:43:41,600 he said I will not work on anything that 996 00:43:47,080 --> 00:43:44,780 can be used to kill people I'll work on 997 00:43:48,940 --> 00:43:47,090 defense I'll work on any sort of defense 998 00:43:51,460 --> 00:43:48,950 systems but nothing that could be used 999 00:43:53,500 --> 00:43:51,470 in an act of war and and there's a lot 1000 00:43:57,280 --> 00:43:53,510 of people like that but well my point is 1001 00:43:59,320 --> 00:43:57,290 that if this outside threat does exist 1002 00:44:01,540 --> 00:43:59,330 and we have to look inward we have to 1003 00:44:03,160 --> 00:44:01,550 look at what makes us earth and we 1004 00:44:05,110 --> 00:44:03,170 construct the other through all of these 1005 00:44:06,700 --> 00:44:05,120 meaningless differences you know your 1006 00:44:08,740 --> 00:44:06,710 skin slightly darker than mine your 1007 00:44:10,090 --> 00:44:08,750 language is different religions 1008 00:44:12,490 --> 00:44:10,100 different but all of a sudden we would 1009 00:44:14,770 --> 00:44:12,500 forget all of those and really just come 1010 00:44:17,740 --> 00:44:14,780 together to fight this outside threat as 1011 00:44:20,530 --> 00:44:17,750 earthly humans against whatever this an 1012 00:44:23,170 --> 00:44:20,540 alien invader was so and and I really 1013 00:44:24,640 --> 00:44:23,180 enjoy that aspect of these films too and 1014 00:44:26,970 --> 00:44:24,650 there's there's a lot of those you know 1015 00:44:29,530 --> 00:44:26,980 Independence Day the one with Tom Cruise 1016 00:44:32,050 --> 00:44:29,540 used to watch they're fun they're super 1017 00:44:33,820 --> 00:44:32,060 fun and they're movies you know and so 1018 00:44:35,710 --> 00:44:33,830 so yeah there's a lot there's a lot 1019 00:44:37,420 --> 00:44:35,720 going on in those and even even though 1020 00:44:39,190 --> 00:44:37,430 there is you know the conflict with 1021 00:44:41,470 --> 00:44:39,200 extraterrestrials I think a lot of these 1022 00:44:43,540 --> 00:44:41,480 do focus on our humanity and what makes 1023 00:44:45,520 --> 00:44:43,550 us human and and how we would probably 1024 00:44:47,950 --> 00:44:45,530 rally together if there was a major 1025 00:44:50,890 --> 00:44:47,960 threat from a different solar system I 1026 00:44:54,070 --> 00:44:50,900 do tend to think that the more positive 1027 00:44:55,600 --> 00:44:54,080 contact movies provide the entertainment 1028 00:44:56,830 --> 00:44:55,610 value but also a little bit more food 1029 00:44:59,680 --> 00:44:56,840 for thought though but that's just me 1030 00:45:01,990 --> 00:44:59,690 yeah no definitely I think it's it's 1031 00:45:04,360 --> 00:45:02,000 more about you know selling tickets and 1032 00:45:06,640 --> 00:45:04,370 getting people some really awesome you 1033 00:45:07,690 --> 00:45:06,650 know special effects but but but it 1034 00:45:10,480 --> 00:45:07,700 doesn't seem to be a running theme 1035 00:45:12,790 --> 00:45:10,490 throughout many of them um there was a 1036 00:45:14,620 --> 00:45:12,800 really interesting case I know you know 1037 00:45:16,150 --> 00:45:14,630 about it but I'm gonna mention it to our 1038 00:45:18,400 --> 00:45:16,160 listeners and then I'll ask you a 1039 00:45:23,920 --> 00:45:18,410 question it's called the Pascagoula 1040 00:45:26,950 --> 00:45:23,930 abduction and it's a famous incident 1041 00:45:28,450 --> 00:45:26,960 where Charles Hickson and Calvin Parker 1042 00:45:30,660 --> 00:45:28,460 claimed they were abducted by aliens 1043 00:45:33,499 --> 00:45:30,670 while they were fishing in Mississippi 1044 00:45:36,379 --> 00:45:33,509 it gained national 1045 00:45:38,509 --> 00:45:36,389 tensional worldwide attention involved 1046 00:45:42,379 --> 00:45:38,519 in that abduction we're creatures who 1047 00:45:45,049 --> 00:45:42,389 took them aboard the craft and then 1048 00:45:46,639 --> 00:45:45,059 subjected them to an examination and the 1049 00:45:51,109 --> 00:45:46,649 creatures were floating through the air 1050 00:45:53,029 --> 00:45:51,119 and they were eight to ten I guess they 1051 00:45:55,370 --> 00:45:53,039 were eight to ten feet high 1052 00:45:58,249 --> 00:45:55,380 what what I wanted to tell so mention to 1053 00:46:01,009 --> 00:45:58,259 you at the same time is another 1054 00:46:04,579 --> 00:46:01,019 encounter that happened in Cisco County 1055 00:46:06,199 --> 00:46:04,589 in 1964 let me go ahead and just gonna 1056 00:46:08,329 --> 00:46:06,209 say sorry about the lead on this 1057 00:46:11,959 --> 00:46:08,339 gentleman yes there are quite a few 1058 00:46:13,669 --> 00:46:11,969 cases involving outdoorsmen that Travis 1059 00:46:16,939 --> 00:46:13,679 Walton wasn't hunting but they were he 1060 00:46:19,009 --> 00:46:16,949 was a crew working on the trees Parker 1061 00:46:21,319 --> 00:46:19,019 and Hickson and Pascagoula were fishing 1062 00:46:22,939 --> 00:46:21,329 there's an alligator 1063 00:46:26,539 --> 00:46:22,949 I think they were canoeing and camping 1064 00:46:28,639 --> 00:46:26,549 but it does come up with the outdoorsman 1065 00:46:31,389 --> 00:46:28,649 do run into these types of things yeah 1066 00:46:33,620 --> 00:46:31,399 it's very common and in this case 1067 00:46:36,679 --> 00:46:33,630 regarding the alien encounter in Cisco 1068 00:46:38,929 --> 00:46:36,689 County and sixth and four I'll just give 1069 00:46:41,269 --> 00:46:38,939 a little bit of background on it this 1070 00:46:42,829 --> 00:46:41,279 gentleman he was he became separated 1071 00:46:45,559 --> 00:46:42,839 from the rest of the group he was worse 1072 00:46:47,659 --> 00:46:45,569 and with nightfall approaching he 1073 00:46:49,639 --> 00:46:47,669 decided to go ahead and sleep the night 1074 00:46:52,219 --> 00:46:49,649 away in a tree for safety and that 1075 00:46:55,819 --> 00:46:52,229 didn't work out he soon discovered that 1076 00:46:58,009 --> 00:46:55,829 he had the company of ETS God they 1077 00:46:59,989 --> 00:46:58,019 didn't seem to be friendly either they 1078 00:47:02,209 --> 00:46:59,999 had a humanoid type of appearance and 1079 00:47:04,039 --> 00:47:02,219 the third was more robot-like 1080 00:47:07,120 --> 00:47:04,049 and I want to bring up that robot 1081 00:47:08,329 --> 00:47:07,130 subject with you in a moment he became 1082 00:47:11,449 --> 00:47:08,339 panic-stricken 1083 00:47:13,399 --> 00:47:11,459 and they began to shake the tree that he 1084 00:47:15,709 --> 00:47:13,409 was in in order to dislodge him in other 1085 00:47:17,659 --> 00:47:15,719 words they were not friendly and did 1086 00:47:19,789 --> 00:47:17,669 then he recounts how he vividly recalls 1087 00:47:23,629 --> 00:47:19,799 a whitepaper being shot from the robot's 1088 00:47:26,299 --> 00:47:23,639 mouth which rendered him unconscious he 1089 00:47:29,179 --> 00:47:26,309 did come to where he was assaulted by 1090 00:47:31,759 --> 00:47:29,189 these creatures and he managed to load 1091 00:47:34,729 --> 00:47:31,769 and shoot an arrow at the invaders 1092 00:47:36,919 --> 00:47:34,739 hitting the robot and the direct hit 1093 00:47:40,069 --> 00:47:36,929 caused a spark to fly indicating that 1094 00:47:42,109 --> 00:47:40,079 the arrow had hit a metallic surface he 1095 00:47:43,909 --> 00:47:42,119 managed to shoot two more arrows at the 1096 00:47:46,970 --> 00:47:43,919 beings each time causing the group to 1097 00:47:48,770 --> 00:47:46,980 scatter soon a second robot joined the 1098 00:47:51,280 --> 00:47:48,780 group and again shrum was rendered 1099 00:47:54,260 --> 00:47:51,290 unconscious by the strange white paper 1100 00:47:55,609 --> 00:47:54,270 the point I'm and I won't read the rest 1101 00:47:57,140 --> 00:47:55,619 of that but if anybody wants to read 1102 00:48:00,950 --> 00:47:57,150 about it they just google alien 1103 00:48:03,680 --> 00:48:00,960 encounter in Cisco County CIS Co County 1104 00:48:06,140 --> 00:48:03,690 in 64 it looks like there's not just 1105 00:48:09,590 --> 00:48:06,150 humanoid creatures but robots involved 1106 00:48:11,359 --> 00:48:09,600 here if you came across this kind of 1107 00:48:14,780 --> 00:48:11,369 situation where somebody was being 1108 00:48:18,859 --> 00:48:14,790 attacked by ETS and robots what would 1109 00:48:22,070 --> 00:48:18,869 you do again with gun in hand yeah 1110 00:48:24,980 --> 00:48:22,080 that's a tough one and and the robot 1111 00:48:26,630 --> 00:48:24,990 thing makes sense we have them now I 1112 00:48:29,630 --> 00:48:26,640 think we're only about ten years from 1113 00:48:31,520 --> 00:48:29,640 having something that can make facial 1114 00:48:33,440 --> 00:48:31,530 expressions that don't freak us out and 1115 00:48:36,530 --> 00:48:33,450 can you know speak in ways that don't 1116 00:48:38,330 --> 00:48:36,540 freak us out but our technology is 1117 00:48:41,170 --> 00:48:38,340 moving very quickly in that direction I 1118 00:48:44,780 --> 00:48:41,180 definitely understand why there may be 1119 00:48:48,290 --> 00:48:44,790 robot assistants involved in abductions 1120 00:48:50,510 --> 00:48:48,300 in the future as well yeah again that's 1121 00:48:53,740 --> 00:48:50,520 that's a rare case that they there are 1122 00:48:57,620 --> 00:48:53,750 reports of those that there's you know 1123 00:49:01,250 --> 00:48:57,630 more aggression on on behalf of the 1124 00:49:03,970 --> 00:49:01,260 abductors I don't know I mean that's a 1125 00:49:09,470 --> 00:49:03,980 tough one if if there were humanoids 1126 00:49:10,730 --> 00:49:09,480 future humans with robots I don't know I 1127 00:49:12,230 --> 00:49:10,740 honestly don't know if I have an answer 1128 00:49:14,330 --> 00:49:12,240 to that I guess it's it's more 1129 00:49:21,349 --> 00:49:14,340 situational probably even depends on if 1130 00:49:25,099 --> 00:49:21,359 I had any coffee that morning he's got 1131 00:49:27,800 --> 00:49:25,109 his tree and just taken something but I 1132 00:49:29,660 --> 00:49:27,810 don't know I guess it really depends on 1133 00:49:32,060 --> 00:49:29,670 the specifics of the situation I was 1134 00:49:33,290 --> 00:49:32,070 involved in great I wanted to also bring 1135 00:49:35,030 --> 00:49:33,300 up a case that you've heard it before 1136 00:49:38,300 --> 00:49:35,040 and I know Frank you have to it's a 1137 00:49:40,130 --> 00:49:38,310 Kelley Hopkinsville encounter and if you 1138 00:49:43,550 --> 00:49:40,140 want to read about that listeners please 1139 00:49:45,550 --> 00:49:43,560 go to Wikipedia check it out or other 1140 00:49:47,990 --> 00:49:45,560 resources available but Kelley 1141 00:49:50,090 --> 00:49:48,000 Hopkinsville I'm gonna I'm gonna spell 1142 00:49:52,550 --> 00:49:50,100 that for you because when I first heard 1143 00:49:54,410 --> 00:49:52,560 it and I heard that those words tumble 1144 00:49:59,510 --> 00:49:54,420 out of somebody's mouth I had no idea 1145 00:50:00,650 --> 00:49:59,520 what they said so it's Kelly - H Opie's 1146 00:50:05,120 --> 00:50:00,660 and Paul 1147 00:50:08,720 --> 00:50:05,130 ki n sv I ll e encounter and that 1148 00:50:10,910 --> 00:50:08,730 occurred in 1955 allegedly where family 1149 00:50:16,610 --> 00:50:10,920 claimed a close encounter with extra 1150 00:50:18,020 --> 00:50:16,620 with ETS in Kentucky and UFL just regard 1151 00:50:20,210 --> 00:50:18,030 is one of the most significant and well 1152 00:50:23,450 --> 00:50:20,220 documented cases in the history of UFO 1153 00:50:26,570 --> 00:50:23,460 incidents the claim is that on August 1154 00:50:29,420 --> 00:50:26,580 21st and 1955 five adults and seven 1155 00:50:35,380 --> 00:50:29,430 children arrived at the Hopkinsville 1156 00:50:41,180 --> 00:50:37,820 claiming they had been attacked what I 1157 00:50:43,970 --> 00:50:41,190 was going to ask you is do you feel like 1158 00:50:48,680 --> 00:50:43,980 this incident was possible that it 1159 00:50:53,780 --> 00:50:48,690 actually occurred I I don't know enough 1160 00:50:55,880 --> 00:50:53,790 about that specific event to comment on 1161 00:50:59,330 --> 00:50:55,890 it I tend to err on the side of 1162 00:51:02,780 --> 00:50:59,340 believing people in general and I think 1163 00:51:06,020 --> 00:51:02,790 it's a very important thing in studying 1164 00:51:08,240 --> 00:51:06,030 this phenomenon obviously some make more 1165 00:51:10,760 --> 00:51:08,250 sense than others some fall within the 1166 00:51:14,270 --> 00:51:10,770 average more than others and and again 1167 00:51:15,980 --> 00:51:14,280 the average is mostly not being harmed 1168 00:51:17,450 --> 00:51:15,990 being comforted during these 1169 00:51:21,740 --> 00:51:17,460 interactions but there are some where 1170 00:51:25,610 --> 00:51:21,750 that's not the case so so yeah I mean I 1171 00:51:27,560 --> 00:51:25,620 I can't I can't speak to why it might be 1172 00:51:29,990 --> 00:51:27,570 a different situation for some of these 1173 00:51:33,980 --> 00:51:30,000 people it could be you know a lack of 1174 00:51:37,640 --> 00:51:33,990 ethics it could be just bad people who 1175 00:51:40,310 --> 00:51:37,650 have access to time travel technology as 1176 00:51:42,140 --> 00:51:40,320 well but no those those should all be 1177 00:51:44,120 --> 00:51:42,150 considered I think it's important to 1178 00:51:47,090 --> 00:51:44,130 consider all of the evidence especially 1179 00:51:49,910 --> 00:51:47,100 with a phenomenon this complex and this 1180 00:51:51,230 --> 00:51:49,920 mysterious we should be we should 1181 00:51:54,170 --> 00:51:51,240 believe everyone's account 1182 00:51:55,550 --> 00:51:54,180 you know there's J Allen Hynek had a 1183 00:51:57,440 --> 00:51:55,560 good system of looking at the 1184 00:51:59,960 --> 00:51:57,450 strangeness and probability and I think 1185 00:52:01,700 --> 00:51:59,970 that should still be used today but we 1186 00:52:04,100 --> 00:52:01,710 shouldn't just dismiss any account 1187 00:52:06,110 --> 00:52:04,110 because it doesn't conform to what most 1188 00:52:07,850 --> 00:52:06,120 of them do so I think it's important to 1189 00:52:10,340 --> 00:52:07,860 acknowledge those and to consider them 1190 00:52:13,560 --> 00:52:10,350 even if they do and probably especially 1191 00:52:15,090 --> 00:52:13,570 if they do deviate from the norm 1192 00:52:17,160 --> 00:52:15,100 wanted to be able to wind down this 1193 00:52:19,320 --> 00:52:17,170 interview and keep Frank on for the 1194 00:52:21,180 --> 00:52:19,330 duration of the show but then also let 1195 00:52:22,920 --> 00:52:21,190 you go because you have a schedule that 1196 00:52:25,230 --> 00:52:22,930 you need to keep today wanted to let 1197 00:52:27,600 --> 00:52:25,240 everybody know your website and also 1198 00:52:29,910 --> 00:52:27,610 that you'll be on with us for a 1199 00:52:31,860 --> 00:52:29,920 biographical interview we wanted to 1200 00:52:33,390 --> 00:52:31,870 learn more about you and every 1201 00:52:34,950 --> 00:52:33,400 everything you're working on you're 1202 00:52:36,510 --> 00:52:34,960 doing a lot of hard research and you 1203 00:52:40,710 --> 00:52:36,520 have some wonderful material that you've 1204 00:52:42,000 --> 00:52:40,720 published on April 28 Sunday at noon 1205 00:52:45,060 --> 00:52:42,010 Eastern Time 1206 00:52:47,960 --> 00:52:45,070 we have you on and also wanted to let 1207 00:52:55,500 --> 00:52:47,970 everybody know your website which is ID 1208 00:52:58,130 --> 00:52:55,510 FL y ou bj dot-com that's ID f ly o bj 1209 00:53:01,770 --> 00:52:58,140 comm and the book you just published 1210 00:53:03,720 --> 00:53:01,780 Friday as identified flying objects a 1211 00:53:06,660 --> 00:53:03,730 multidisciplinary scientific approach to 1212 00:53:08,880 --> 00:53:06,670 the UFO phenomenon where you had a book 1213 00:53:10,920 --> 00:53:08,890 signing its launch a Butte Montana 1214 00:53:13,020 --> 00:53:10,930 thank you so very much for having been 1215 00:53:15,540 --> 00:53:13,030 on our show today doctor thank you 1216 00:53:17,520 --> 00:53:15,550 chanting Frank is great talking I will 1217 00:53:18,990 --> 00:53:17,530 get into the we didn't have a chance to 1218 00:53:20,850 --> 00:53:19,000 do it today but we'll get into some of 1219 00:53:27,570 --> 00:53:20,860 your criticisms of the scientific 1220 00:53:28,560 --> 00:53:27,580 journal racket okay thanks a lot doctor 1221 00:53:34,590 --> 00:53:28,570 appreciate it thank you 1222 00:53:36,990 --> 00:53:34,600 talk to you later here we go right yep 1223 00:53:38,430 --> 00:53:37,000 Frank actually I was gonna ask you later 1224 00:53:41,190 --> 00:53:38,440 in the show but I was gonna ask I'll 1225 00:53:43,170 --> 00:53:41,200 just ask you now regarding the 1226 00:53:45,930 --> 00:53:43,180 military-industrial complex 1227 00:53:47,430 --> 00:53:45,940 and extraterrestrials having a 1228 00:53:50,160 --> 00:53:47,440 relationship do you think that that's 1229 00:53:54,240 --> 00:53:50,170 possible well it's possible but I don't 1230 00:53:57,630 --> 00:53:54,250 know it I don't know that they have that 1231 00:53:59,130 --> 00:53:57,640 like a literal relationship I think of 1232 00:54:05,790 --> 00:53:59,140 what we're getting and what we've gotten 1233 00:54:08,610 --> 00:54:05,800 is a lot of curious questions a lot I 1234 00:54:10,500 --> 00:54:08,620 don't think they know all that much I 1235 00:54:13,500 --> 00:54:10,510 don't believe for example that 1236 00:54:15,330 --> 00:54:13,510 Eisenhower met with ETS and they signed 1237 00:54:16,770 --> 00:54:15,340 a treaty and all that I I don't believe 1238 00:54:19,470 --> 00:54:16,780 that I think that's just pure fantasy 1239 00:54:22,080 --> 00:54:19,480 that's been introduced into the field 1240 00:54:24,390 --> 00:54:22,090 and some folks believe it I do not 1241 00:54:26,130 --> 00:54:24,400 happen to believe that I think a lot of 1242 00:54:27,270 --> 00:54:26,140 them are scratching their heads just the 1243 00:54:28,800 --> 00:54:27,280 same way we are so 1244 00:54:30,420 --> 00:54:28,810 I think that's about where we're at with 1245 00:54:31,430 --> 00:54:30,430 that but hey you never know I could be 1246 00:54:33,720 --> 00:54:31,440 wrong 1247 00:54:35,940 --> 00:54:33,730 yeah he had a lot of really interesting 1248 00:54:38,400 --> 00:54:35,950 things to say I actually wanted to ask 1249 00:54:42,120 --> 00:54:38,410 him a another question about that 1250 00:54:44,820 --> 00:54:42,130 incident regarding that family as you 1251 00:54:48,300 --> 00:54:44,830 know denali otto who we interviewed he 1252 00:54:50,730 --> 00:54:48,310 did a movie on that incident of the 1253 00:54:53,940 --> 00:54:50,740 kelly Hopkinsville encounter and the 1254 00:54:57,180 --> 00:54:53,950 movie he had is called alien abduction 1255 00:55:01,770 --> 00:54:57,190 incident in Lake County and he did that 1256 00:55:05,660 --> 00:55:01,780 film decades ago and dr. jacques suave 1257 00:55:08,280 --> 00:55:05,670 said it was the most accurate a 1258 00:55:12,390 --> 00:55:08,290 perspective of an abduction and alien 1259 00:55:15,360 --> 00:55:12,400 abduction taking place in movies he had 1260 00:55:17,130 --> 00:55:15,370 ever seen did you ever get a chance to 1261 00:55:19,920 --> 00:55:17,140 check out that movie I watched both 1262 00:55:21,630 --> 00:55:19,930 versions in preparation for our 1263 00:55:23,070 --> 00:55:21,640 interview with Dean and they're both 1264 00:55:25,260 --> 00:55:23,080 good they're both good in their own way 1265 00:55:26,910 --> 00:55:25,270 obviously the first was very early in 1266 00:55:29,840 --> 00:55:26,920 his career it was something he put 1267 00:55:33,930 --> 00:55:29,850 together basically with some friends and 1268 00:55:36,960 --> 00:55:33,940 just sort of a first start into the 1269 00:55:39,360 --> 00:55:36,970 making movie business and that's really 1270 00:55:43,530 --> 00:55:39,370 good in its own way and the more a 1271 00:55:45,300 --> 00:55:43,540 higher profile larger budget effort that 1272 00:55:48,180 --> 00:55:45,310 he put together for I think it was he I 1273 00:55:50,580 --> 00:55:48,190 think was for UPN that's entertaining as 1274 00:55:53,070 --> 00:55:50,590 well but maybe being that kind of a 1275 00:55:54,510 --> 00:55:53,080 low-budget guy I think I respect the 1276 00:55:56,250 --> 00:55:54,520 first effort maybe a little bit more 1277 00:55:58,320 --> 00:55:56,260 they got a lot of bang for their buck 1278 00:55:59,970 --> 00:55:58,330 especially with the aliens and with the 1279 00:56:01,590 --> 00:55:59,980 ship that they built and he went into 1280 00:56:04,050 --> 00:56:01,600 all that that's a fun interview to 1281 00:56:07,290 --> 00:56:04,060 listen to and Dean also went into some 1282 00:56:09,720 --> 00:56:07,300 detail for any fledgling content 1283 00:56:11,850 --> 00:56:09,730 creators that type of thing some very 1284 00:56:13,560 --> 00:56:11,860 good advice just in terms of how to 1285 00:56:15,330 --> 00:56:13,570 think about your project and a little 1286 00:56:16,560 --> 00:56:15,340 bit on the technical end as well so 1287 00:56:17,940 --> 00:56:16,570 that's a real good interview to hunt 1288 00:56:20,640 --> 00:56:17,950 down and that go back into our archives 1289 00:56:22,680 --> 00:56:20,650 and give a listen to I'm regarding that 1290 00:56:26,070 --> 00:56:22,690 movie that he did that you saw I know 1291 00:56:27,960 --> 00:56:26,080 you saw both but the okay in in the 1292 00:56:29,220 --> 00:56:27,970 original and the remake that he did the 1293 00:56:32,640 --> 00:56:29,230 original by the way just for our 1294 00:56:37,290 --> 00:56:32,650 listeners to know was in I believe that 1295 00:56:39,450 --> 00:56:37,300 was in 98 that was a remake and then 1296 00:56:40,680 --> 00:56:39,460 years earlier he had he had made the 1297 00:56:42,599 --> 00:56:40,690 other film which is 1298 00:56:43,950 --> 00:56:42,609 it's essentially the same film why was 1299 00:56:45,569 --> 00:56:43,960 going to ask you as an either one of 1300 00:56:48,390 --> 00:56:45,579 those films to the humans turned to 1301 00:56:53,180 --> 00:56:48,400 violence regarding the ETS and did the 1302 00:57:00,569 --> 00:56:57,079 as best as memory serves I would say no 1303 00:57:01,890 --> 00:57:00,579 okay basically the the humans who were 1304 00:57:06,930 --> 00:57:01,900 sort of cooperative that were sort of 1305 00:57:10,170 --> 00:57:06,940 mind control that was the implication in 1306 00:57:13,589 --> 00:57:10,180 the film yeah also wanted to mention 1307 00:57:15,870 --> 00:57:13,599 something that I didn't cover earlier 1308 00:57:19,770 --> 00:57:15,880 and that is the hunters I've interviewed 1309 00:57:23,880 --> 00:57:19,780 have told me repeatedly that if aliens 1310 00:57:26,579 --> 00:57:23,890 are coming to us in an interstellar 1311 00:57:28,859 --> 00:57:26,589 fashion and they are quite possibly 1312 00:57:31,980 --> 00:57:28,869 millions of years ahead in their 1313 00:57:34,559 --> 00:57:31,990 technology what use is it going to be 1314 00:57:36,240 --> 00:57:34,569 picking up a gun how do you feel about 1315 00:57:38,760 --> 00:57:36,250 that what do you think about that 1316 00:57:43,890 --> 00:57:38,770 perspective probably no use at all 1317 00:57:46,079 --> 00:57:43,900 probably no use at all so yeah they 1318 00:57:47,130 --> 00:57:46,089 balked actually when I talked to them 1319 00:57:49,079 --> 00:57:47,140 about that 1320 00:57:52,829 --> 00:57:49,089 I thought it was interesting how they 1321 00:57:54,349 --> 00:57:52,839 used that these a gun is a tool but they 1322 00:57:56,640 --> 00:57:54,359 would not turn to it whatsoever 1323 00:57:59,370 --> 00:57:56,650 regarding an extraterrestrial presence 1324 00:58:02,880 --> 00:57:59,380 in fact what they said was they would 1325 00:58:07,200 --> 00:58:02,890 actually try to communicate with the et 1326 00:58:09,599 --> 00:58:07,210 presence did you ever get a chance to 1327 00:58:12,870 --> 00:58:09,609 check out that movie predator by the way 1328 00:58:15,180 --> 00:58:12,880 I know it says absolutely well in that 1329 00:58:16,710 --> 00:58:15,190 movie the reason bringing up is because 1330 00:58:18,059 --> 00:58:16,720 it's sort of the polar opposite of what 1331 00:58:20,960 --> 00:58:18,069 we're talking about when you guys were 1332 00:58:24,540 --> 00:58:20,970 mentioning sort of those Disney like 1333 00:58:26,040 --> 00:58:24,550 happy alien movies or the movies where 1334 00:58:27,960 --> 00:58:26,050 they expand your consciousness you know 1335 00:58:29,910 --> 00:58:27,970 ETS are friendly and they're bringing 1336 00:58:32,280 --> 00:58:29,920 knowledge to the planet in this 1337 00:58:36,089 --> 00:58:32,290 particular movie predator is actually 1338 00:58:39,150 --> 00:58:36,099 the enemy and well they're essentially 1339 00:58:42,180 --> 00:58:39,160 hunters coming to earth to sort of 1340 00:58:44,550 --> 00:58:42,190 target and hunt down as some of the more 1341 00:58:48,650 --> 00:58:44,560 dangerous humans in the original it was 1342 00:58:51,660 --> 00:58:48,660 guys involved in the in the military 1343 00:58:53,280 --> 00:58:51,670 paramilitary guys and then in the sequel 1344 00:58:54,450 --> 00:58:53,290 they were they were hunting down drug 1345 00:58:56,820 --> 00:58:54,460 dealers and police 1346 00:58:59,940 --> 00:58:56,830 officers yeah there's a fun little 1347 00:59:03,180 --> 00:58:59,950 series and definitely enjoyed it but you 1348 00:59:08,339 --> 00:59:03,190 know not not my favorite type of alien 1349 00:59:11,460 --> 00:59:08,349 contact so yeah I actually liked it too 1350 00:59:14,130 --> 00:59:11,470 what I was gonna ask you is regarding 1351 00:59:16,950 --> 00:59:14,140 that science fiction action horror film 1352 00:59:19,680 --> 00:59:16,960 predator which came out in 87 do you 1353 00:59:21,660 --> 00:59:19,690 think that made an impact on young young 1354 00:59:28,800 --> 00:59:21,670 people like little kids in the respect 1355 00:59:30,060 --> 00:59:28,810 of becoming anti et so to speak okay 1356 00:59:31,800 --> 00:59:30,070 well I guess little kids have gotten to 1357 00:59:33,420 --> 00:59:31,810 see it as I recall it was an r-rated 1358 00:59:35,760 --> 00:59:33,430 film with a pretty fair amount of 1359 00:59:37,170 --> 00:59:35,770 violence so I don't think it was a film 1360 00:59:39,420 --> 00:59:37,180 that was really geared towards little 1361 00:59:41,520 --> 00:59:39,430 kids but these films run on TV so I 1362 00:59:43,890 --> 00:59:41,530 guess little kids do get to see them I 1363 00:59:46,760 --> 00:59:43,900 know it's a popular film it's a well 1364 00:59:50,880 --> 00:59:46,770 liked film I enjoyed it but I'm not sure 1365 00:59:54,060 --> 00:59:50,890 that it's really geared towards little 1366 00:59:56,220 --> 00:59:54,070 kids yeah that's a good point I you know 1367 00:59:58,200 --> 00:59:56,230 it's funny you say that because I I grew 1368 01:00:02,609 --> 00:59:58,210 up the way I grew up I wasn't even 1369 01:00:05,910 --> 01:00:02,619 allowed to watch MTV and that was for 1370 01:00:09,060 --> 01:00:05,920 kids right right I actually had friends 1371 01:00:10,859 --> 01:00:09,070 that were allowed to watch any kind of 1372 01:00:12,930 --> 01:00:10,869 rating you know they could watch our 1373 01:00:15,300 --> 01:00:12,940 movies and they were like nine and I 1374 01:00:16,710 --> 01:00:15,310 don't know how they could do that I was 1375 01:00:17,640 --> 01:00:16,720 always so jealous of that that they 1376 01:00:19,950 --> 01:00:17,650 could get away with that 1377 01:00:23,640 --> 01:00:19,960 but yeah I had friends that had watched 1378 01:00:26,490 --> 01:00:23,650 like these crazy movies before we even 1379 01:00:28,620 --> 01:00:26,500 went to middle school and they were fine 1380 01:00:30,510 --> 01:00:28,630 like they came out fine they're 1381 01:00:33,870 --> 01:00:30,520 productive men are members of society 1382 01:00:36,540 --> 01:00:33,880 they're not serial killers you know 1383 01:00:39,570 --> 01:00:36,550 there was that strange situation going 1384 01:00:41,700 --> 01:00:39,580 on to where I think members of Congress 1385 01:00:44,880 --> 01:00:41,710 and a wife of a congress member we're 1386 01:00:46,589 --> 01:00:44,890 trying to stop the music industry from 1387 01:00:48,870 --> 01:00:46,599 being able to produce certain kinds of 1388 01:00:51,359 --> 01:00:48,880 music because it would appear to be too 1389 01:00:54,420 --> 01:00:51,369 violent yeah there aren't too many of 1390 01:00:56,310 --> 01:00:54,430 the contact movies to get the r-rating I 1391 01:00:57,870 --> 01:00:56,320 think that a lot of times I'll spend a 1392 01:01:01,109 --> 01:00:57,880 little bit more money on them so they 1393 01:01:03,270 --> 01:01:01,119 make it a point to keep it at pg-13 to 1394 01:01:05,460 --> 01:01:03,280 attract the larger audience we're a 1395 01:01:06,760 --> 01:01:05,470 couple predator was one that I recall 1396 01:01:09,250 --> 01:01:06,770 was rated R 1397 01:01:12,520 --> 01:01:09,260 the thing the John Carpenter's remake of 1398 01:01:15,550 --> 01:01:12,530 the thing was rated R that was very 1399 01:01:18,310 --> 01:01:15,560 heavy on the the blood effects and the 1400 01:01:20,410 --> 01:01:18,320 gore effects so that is what I think 1401 01:01:22,240 --> 01:01:20,420 pushed that into the our reading that's 1402 01:01:24,910 --> 01:01:22,250 a very good movie to it an excellent 1403 01:01:27,940 --> 01:01:24,920 horror sci-fi movie I think it's fair to 1404 01:01:30,820 --> 01:01:27,950 say that a lot of these et contact 1405 01:01:33,370 --> 01:01:30,830 movies that delve over into the negative 1406 01:01:35,410 --> 01:01:33,380 are essentially horror films where the 1407 01:01:37,660 --> 01:01:35,420 et is the monster basically their 1408 01:01:39,550 --> 01:01:37,670 monster movies and he tease the monster 1409 01:01:41,589 --> 01:01:39,560 and of course we've got the other films 1410 01:01:43,450 --> 01:01:41,599 another one a more positive contact 1411 01:01:46,060 --> 01:01:43,460 movie I didn't mention the man who fell 1412 01:01:48,700 --> 01:01:46,070 to earth with David Bowie that is one 1413 01:01:50,680 --> 01:01:48,710 that came out in the 70s mission to Mars 1414 01:01:53,440 --> 01:01:50,690 is kind of a sleeper favorite of mine 1415 01:01:55,960 --> 01:01:53,450 there was a contact element to that film 1416 01:01:58,150 --> 01:01:55,970 and that is a very entertaining film 1417 01:02:00,339 --> 01:01:58,160 that not everyone seen I do recall 1418 01:02:01,870 --> 01:02:00,349 mentioning it Dean when we had him on he 1419 01:02:03,490 --> 01:02:01,880 said he had never seen it I definitely 1420 01:02:05,920 --> 01:02:03,500 recommend it for folks who've never seen 1421 01:02:07,180 --> 01:02:05,930 it it didn't get the attention I think 1422 01:02:09,099 --> 01:02:07,190 it deserved I think it was a much better 1423 01:02:10,780 --> 01:02:09,109 movie than a lot of people give it 1424 01:02:13,030 --> 01:02:10,790 credit for it I really enjoyed it and 1425 01:02:15,640 --> 01:02:13,040 when it does pop on the TV every now and 1426 01:02:18,220 --> 01:02:15,650 again I'll leave it on and watch them 1427 01:02:19,870 --> 01:02:18,230 watch it till the conclusion from where 1428 01:02:21,099 --> 01:02:19,880 ever I picked it up but I saw that film 1429 01:02:23,170 --> 01:02:21,109 in the theater when it first came out I 1430 01:02:24,940 --> 01:02:23,180 enjoy it I thought was a good movie yeah 1431 01:02:27,460 --> 01:02:24,950 I'm glad you brought up that movie on 1432 01:02:29,589 --> 01:02:27,470 before we wrap up the show here wanted 1433 01:02:33,250 --> 01:02:29,599 to mention one thing about that movie 1434 01:02:36,609 --> 01:02:33,260 the actress Mary Elizabeth Winstead the 1435 01:02:40,329 --> 01:02:36,619 star of that movie but she's actually in 1436 01:02:43,030 --> 01:02:40,339 10 Cloverfield Lane as the star of that 1437 01:02:46,420 --> 01:02:43,040 movie the one I mentioned earlier the 1438 01:02:49,599 --> 01:02:46,430 plot of the thing which is it's an 1439 01:02:51,880 --> 01:02:49,609 basically a research site going on in 1440 01:02:55,500 --> 01:02:51,890 Antarctica and discovery of an alien 1441 01:02:59,260 --> 01:02:55,510 craft and scientists going out there to 1442 01:03:01,780 --> 01:02:59,270 research that area that research team 1443 01:03:04,300 --> 01:03:01,790 being faced with an et presence the 1444 01:03:06,280 --> 01:03:04,310 interesting part of the film is this et 1445 01:03:10,329 --> 01:03:06,290 presence actually takes on the form of 1446 01:03:12,849 --> 01:03:10,339 humans and that's a completely different 1447 01:03:16,660 --> 01:03:12,859 idea right there we have movies that 1448 01:03:19,810 --> 01:03:16,670 actually depict alien presence in their 1449 01:03:20,480 --> 01:03:19,820 own form and then we also have this 1450 01:03:23,300 --> 01:03:20,490 movie which 1451 01:03:25,100 --> 01:03:23,310 is unique in this way when you first saw 1452 01:03:28,760 --> 01:03:25,110 the original I love the original by the 1453 01:03:31,220 --> 01:03:28,770 way and you saw the new one which movie 1454 01:03:33,560 --> 01:03:31,230 did you like better well the second one 1455 01:03:35,060 --> 01:03:33,570 is a lot more impressive I think the 1456 01:03:38,359 --> 01:03:35,070 first one maybe is a little bit dated 1457 01:03:40,609 --> 01:03:38,369 now and that one was made in the very 1458 01:03:43,550 --> 01:03:40,619 early 50s it's a really good movie for 1459 01:03:46,100 --> 01:03:43,560 its time but the second one I think took 1460 01:03:49,400 --> 01:03:46,110 things to another level and it's a lot 1461 01:03:51,050 --> 01:03:49,410 more intense a lot better acted the the 1462 01:03:53,180 --> 01:03:51,060 the dialogue is a little bit more 1463 01:03:55,990 --> 01:03:53,190 realistic a little bit less stilted than 1464 01:03:58,400 --> 01:03:56,000 you got back in the 50s I think is and 1465 01:04:00,470 --> 01:03:58,410 I'm not alone in this opinion I think 1466 01:04:04,340 --> 01:04:00,480 it's one of the best sci-fi horror 1467 01:04:05,870 --> 01:04:04,350 movies ever made is a real corker and I 1468 01:04:08,330 --> 01:04:05,880 think at this point not too many people 1469 01:04:11,180 --> 01:04:08,340 haven't seen it but if you never have do 1470 01:04:13,310 --> 01:04:11,190 go check it out John Carpenter's we make 1471 01:04:15,080 --> 01:04:13,320 of the thing another thing I think is 1472 01:04:17,300 --> 01:04:15,090 interesting about that movie is yeah 1473 01:04:19,400 --> 01:04:17,310 they do sort of take on human form but 1474 01:04:23,480 --> 01:04:19,410 they do it sort of like almost there's a 1475 01:04:25,310 --> 01:04:23,490 like an infection process where it kind 1476 01:04:28,010 --> 01:04:25,320 of spreads a bit like a virus like a 1477 01:04:31,730 --> 01:04:28,020 disease and that's how it's able to take 1478 01:04:33,109 --> 01:04:31,740 on all these basically overcome all 1479 01:04:36,680 --> 01:04:33,119 these different humans and sort of 1480 01:04:39,530 --> 01:04:36,690 absorb them and and I think that is an 1481 01:04:42,740 --> 01:04:39,540 interesting idea to consider when we 1482 01:04:45,050 --> 01:04:42,750 talk about the et contact is it possible 1483 01:04:47,660 --> 01:04:45,060 that maybe they are concerned about 1484 01:04:50,570 --> 01:04:47,670 spreading some sort of disease that they 1485 01:04:52,910 --> 01:04:50,580 might have to us or vice versa when we 1486 01:04:54,980 --> 01:04:52,920 talk about killing and all that that 1487 01:04:57,680 --> 01:04:54,990 sort of thing did come up during the 1488 01:05:00,230 --> 01:04:57,690 course of the show today but frankly 1489 01:05:03,290 --> 01:05:00,240 yeah epidemics have taken out a lot more 1490 01:05:05,780 --> 01:05:03,300 humans than any war or anything along 1491 01:05:07,609 --> 01:05:05,790 those lines any kind of violence or even 1492 01:05:10,400 --> 01:05:07,619 that natural disaster could come close 1493 01:05:12,410 --> 01:05:10,410 to matching when you look at the 1494 01:05:14,140 --> 01:05:12,420 percentage of the population that was 1495 01:05:17,780 --> 01:05:14,150 wiped out during the plague in Europe 1496 01:05:20,420 --> 01:05:17,790 that type of thing is a lot more serious 1497 01:05:23,210 --> 01:05:20,430 and they are basically you know our 1498 01:05:25,720 --> 01:05:23,220 microscopic enemies you know diseases 1499 01:05:28,310 --> 01:05:25,730 spread by you know various other he 1500 01:05:31,130 --> 01:05:28,320 creatures you know you get flea bites or 1501 01:05:34,609 --> 01:05:31,140 whatever and that's from rats and that's 1502 01:05:39,230 --> 01:05:34,619 how the plague spreads and well there 1503 01:05:40,550 --> 01:05:39,240 you go you know and that it was it must 1504 01:05:41,720 --> 01:05:40,560 have seemed like the end of the world of 1505 01:05:43,580 --> 01:05:41,730 the folks who were living through it in 1506 01:05:45,650 --> 01:05:43,590 Europe but during I guess what the the 1507 01:05:48,680 --> 01:05:45,660 13 and 1400s when it was spreading 1508 01:05:50,359 --> 01:05:48,690 around but I'm glad we don't have to 1509 01:05:54,170 --> 01:05:50,369 face that kind of thing today 1510 01:05:56,359 --> 01:05:54,180 I haven't haven't heard a guy with a 1511 01:05:59,240 --> 01:05:56,369 cart you know like bring out your dead 1512 01:06:02,990 --> 01:05:59,250 going down my street recently it's been 1513 01:06:05,300 --> 01:06:03,000 a while well you know with the reports 1514 01:06:08,810 --> 01:06:05,310 and there's hundreds of thousands of 1515 01:06:10,870 --> 01:06:08,820 reports out there about ETS the contact 1516 01:06:15,890 --> 01:06:10,880 the experiencers the abductees talking 1517 01:06:19,910 --> 01:06:15,900 about levitation telepathy all kinds of 1518 01:06:21,590 --> 01:06:19,920 incredible powers these ETS have to to 1519 01:06:25,010 --> 01:06:21,600 go about doing their research or 1520 01:06:27,650 --> 01:06:25,020 whatever it is they're doing that 1521 01:06:32,000 --> 01:06:27,660 there's such a distinction between them 1522 01:06:37,220 --> 01:06:32,010 and us and the really primitive tools we 1523 01:06:39,710 --> 01:06:37,230 use today it's almost I think fruitless 1524 01:06:42,230 --> 01:06:39,720 to consider using weapons against et's 1525 01:06:45,880 --> 01:06:42,240 there's also reports that they shut down 1526 01:06:49,520 --> 01:06:45,890 they being a tease shut down nuclear 1527 01:06:52,730 --> 01:06:49,530 plants or the possibility of nuclear 1528 01:06:55,099 --> 01:06:52,740 weapons and do you have anything any 1529 01:06:56,990 --> 01:06:55,109 input on yeah I do know that there is a 1530 01:06:59,300 --> 01:06:57,000 school of thought floating around out 1531 01:07:00,950 --> 01:06:59,310 there about the telepathy end of things 1532 01:07:03,620 --> 01:07:00,960 and I'm not a hundred percent sure that 1533 01:07:06,500 --> 01:07:03,630 that is not technology as well they're 1534 01:07:08,900 --> 01:07:06,510 just able to sort of plug it into us for 1535 01:07:11,570 --> 01:07:08,910 some sort of a a Wi-Fi and it's really 1536 01:07:14,210 --> 01:07:11,580 more of a more of a Wi-Fi thing than it 1537 01:07:16,310 --> 01:07:14,220 is pure telepathy like me sitting down 1538 01:07:18,620 --> 01:07:16,320 and you know trying to guess which Zener 1539 01:07:21,770 --> 01:07:18,630 card comes up next and really doing a 1540 01:07:23,750 --> 01:07:21,780 great job of it I it seems at least from 1541 01:07:29,050 --> 01:07:23,760 some of the accounts that they're so 1542 01:07:33,710 --> 01:07:29,060 dead solid intense and so dead solid 1543 01:07:36,740 --> 01:07:33,720 accurate that telepathy seems to me like 1544 01:07:38,750 --> 01:07:36,750 a somewhat of a easier thing I think we 1545 01:07:41,060 --> 01:07:38,760 do have those capabilities but it's a 1546 01:07:43,820 --> 01:07:41,070 little bit hazy err it's not the same as 1547 01:07:45,890 --> 01:07:43,830 putting on a virtual reality headset 1548 01:07:47,900 --> 01:07:45,900 and seeing yourself skiing down a hill 1549 01:07:51,530 --> 01:07:47,910 or something along those lines it seems 1550 01:07:53,510 --> 01:07:51,540 to me that what they've got might be 1551 01:07:56,270 --> 01:07:53,520 more along the lines of again like a 1552 01:07:57,560 --> 01:07:56,280 like a Wi-Fi that allows that kind of 1553 01:07:59,180 --> 01:07:57,570 thing because people aren't wired up 1554 01:08:01,370 --> 01:07:59,190 necessarily when they go through these 1555 01:08:04,370 --> 01:08:01,380 experiences but they're very intense so 1556 01:08:05,930 --> 01:08:04,380 it's almost like a like a techno 1557 01:08:08,090 --> 01:08:05,940 telepathy what's that let's put it that 1558 01:08:09,380 --> 01:08:08,100 way that's why that's why I'm leaning 1559 01:08:11,330 --> 01:08:09,390 towards but again you know I'm just 1560 01:08:13,220 --> 01:08:11,340 speculating here yeah I wanted to 1561 01:08:14,810 --> 01:08:13,230 mention one last thing a little bit let 1562 01:08:16,730 --> 01:08:14,820 me just make this comment first and that 1563 01:08:19,520 --> 01:08:16,740 is one of the hunters I spoke to said 1564 01:08:23,390 --> 01:08:19,530 that there's a lot of wisdom in knowing 1565 01:08:26,570 --> 01:08:23,400 your limitations as a human he meant 1566 01:08:29,870 --> 01:08:26,580 with regards to the et presence the 1567 01:08:32,210 --> 01:08:29,880 possible limitations of yourself and the 1568 01:08:37,550 --> 01:08:32,220 profound mistakes you can make with 1569 01:08:39,610 --> 01:08:37,560 those limitations in their presence that 1570 01:08:41,540 --> 01:08:39,620 if there's anything you can do 1571 01:08:45,650 --> 01:08:41,550 communicating would be the best tool to 1572 01:08:48,110 --> 01:08:45,660 use regarding the topic of aliens coming 1573 01:08:51,710 --> 01:08:48,120 from the future I am on the fence about 1574 01:08:54,020 --> 01:08:51,720 that as you know Jim Penniston and many 1575 01:08:59,000 --> 01:08:54,030 others are involved in this theory 1576 01:09:01,610 --> 01:08:59,010 actively proposing the the idea that 1577 01:09:03,740 --> 01:09:01,620 aliens are us from the future what are 1578 01:09:06,410 --> 01:09:03,750 your thoughts about that well I've got 1579 01:09:09,950 --> 01:09:06,420 one caveat as far as the time-traveling 1580 01:09:13,010 --> 01:09:09,960 human theory and that is basically the 1581 01:09:14,900 --> 01:09:13,020 universe will not hold still for if you 1582 01:09:18,110 --> 01:09:14,910 want to if you're traveling any 1583 01:09:20,780 --> 01:09:18,120 significant distance in time you also 1584 01:09:23,270 --> 01:09:20,790 have to travel a significant distance in 1585 01:09:25,780 --> 01:09:23,280 space just as an example if you wanted 1586 01:09:28,310 --> 01:09:25,790 to travel to where you're at right now 1587 01:09:29,860 --> 01:09:28,320 six months in the future is six months 1588 01:09:33,590 --> 01:09:29,870 in the past whatever the case may be 1589 01:09:36,200 --> 01:09:33,600 you're also going to have to travel the 1590 01:09:39,110 --> 01:09:36,210 earth 93 miles away from the Sun 93 1591 01:09:40,849 --> 01:09:39,120 million miles away from the Sun so it's 1592 01:09:44,060 --> 01:09:40,859 on the far side of the Sun and six 1593 01:09:46,040 --> 01:09:44,070 months past or future and you're gonna 1594 01:09:48,470 --> 01:09:46,050 have to travel a hundred eighty-six 1595 01:09:50,960 --> 01:09:48,480 miles through space to get to where you 1596 01:09:53,750 --> 01:09:50,970 are six months six months in the future 1597 01:09:57,120 --> 01:09:53,760 is six months in the past right now so 1598 01:09:59,280 --> 01:09:57,130 that space trend it's a significant 1599 01:10:00,780 --> 01:09:59,290 a space travel there getting to the moon 1600 01:10:03,000 --> 01:10:00,790 the moon's a quarter of a million miles 1601 01:10:03,360 --> 01:10:03,010 away you're talking 186 million miles 1602 01:10:06,180 --> 01:10:03,370 away 1603 01:10:08,850 --> 01:10:06,190 that's a big distance and again that's 1604 01:10:11,310 --> 01:10:08,860 not even factoring in the solar systems 1605 01:10:13,950 --> 01:10:11,320 orbiting around the Milky Way galaxy and 1606 01:10:16,110 --> 01:10:13,960 the movement that the galaxy is making 1607 01:10:18,240 --> 01:10:16,120 through the universe I wouldn't even be 1608 01:10:19,560 --> 01:10:18,250 I've got an idea what the parameters are 1609 01:10:21,240 --> 01:10:19,570 but I couldn't give you an accurate 1610 01:10:24,629 --> 01:10:21,250 number in terms of how far you would 1611 01:10:27,209 --> 01:10:24,639 want to travel you could say well I'm 1612 01:10:29,610 --> 01:10:27,219 only going to travel into the future or 1613 01:10:31,979 --> 01:10:29,620 into the past but I'm gonna go and get 1614 01:10:33,660 --> 01:10:31,989 there at the exact date we're at now so 1615 01:10:36,000 --> 01:10:33,670 in other words you can only do it like 1616 01:10:38,669 --> 01:10:36,010 let's say you would travel from today 1617 01:10:41,970 --> 01:10:38,679 which is I believe the March the 27th 1618 01:10:48,209 --> 01:10:41,980 2019 well I want to travel to March the 1619 01:10:49,379 --> 01:10:48,219 27th 2020 or March the 27th 2018 the 1620 01:10:51,000 --> 01:10:49,389 earth is still not going to be in the 1621 01:10:52,830 --> 01:10:51,010 same spot it's still going to a move 1622 01:10:55,800 --> 01:10:52,840 because again the solar system is 1623 01:10:57,360 --> 01:10:55,810 orbiting around galactic center and the 1624 01:11:00,419 --> 01:10:57,370 galaxy itself is moving through the 1625 01:11:01,410 --> 01:11:00,429 universe so you still once that caveat 1626 01:11:03,180 --> 01:11:01,420 sout of the way I think it's an 1627 01:11:04,649 --> 01:11:03,190 important caveat to bring up but once 1628 01:11:07,020 --> 01:11:04,659 it's out of the way that I'm is open to 1629 01:11:09,510 --> 01:11:07,030 the time-travel hypothesis as any other 1630 01:11:11,250 --> 01:11:09,520 hypothesis but again you got to travel 1631 01:11:13,350 --> 01:11:11,260 through space in order to travel through 1632 01:11:15,330 --> 01:11:13,360 time I don't see any way around that the 1633 01:11:17,100 --> 01:11:15,340 universe is not going to hold still for 1634 01:11:19,410 --> 01:11:17,110 you while you go back in time and kill 1635 01:11:22,050 --> 01:11:19,420 your grandfather and that screw up the 1636 01:11:24,180 --> 01:11:22,060 entire the timeline of humanity you know 1637 01:11:26,070 --> 01:11:24,190 well science fiction has traditionally 1638 01:11:29,370 --> 01:11:26,080 flirted with the idea of time travel 1639 01:11:32,220 --> 01:11:29,380 it's just a it's just a pattern I know 1640 01:11:35,030 --> 01:11:32,230 you've probably read a lot of science 1641 01:11:40,470 --> 01:11:35,040 fiction regarding time travel I know I 1642 01:11:43,200 --> 01:11:40,480 it seems to be really popular also 1643 01:11:46,939 --> 01:11:43,210 wanted to mention something else and and 1644 01:11:50,340 --> 01:11:46,949 that is science 1645 01:11:52,350 --> 01:11:50,350 today was a pseudoscience in some 1646 01:11:54,419 --> 01:11:52,360 respects before I'm going somewhere with 1647 01:11:56,700 --> 01:11:54,429 this by the way and that is you know the 1648 01:11:59,399 --> 01:11:56,710 thought of putting a heart in somebody 1649 01:12:03,090 --> 01:11:59,409 that was not even possible that was just 1650 01:12:05,850 --> 01:12:03,100 a fictional possibility and now we're 1651 01:12:07,560 --> 01:12:05,860 doing it at least that was a big deal 1652 01:12:09,939 --> 01:12:07,570 that was a big deal when that first 1653 01:12:12,280 --> 01:12:09,949 happened in the late 60s I believe 1654 01:12:14,530 --> 01:12:12,290 well dr. Barnard was the guy who did the 1655 01:12:17,110 --> 01:12:14,540 first hard trance and and when and I'm 1656 01:12:20,140 --> 01:12:17,120 glad you said that by the way we just 1657 01:12:22,120 --> 01:12:20,150 did that the 60s is not that far away no 1658 01:12:24,400 --> 01:12:22,130 you know that that literally just 1659 01:12:27,700 --> 01:12:24,410 happened and we've been moving in leaps 1660 01:12:30,220 --> 01:12:27,710 and bounds Science and Technology wise 1661 01:12:32,260 --> 01:12:30,230 so a lot of things we thought could be 1662 01:12:35,620 --> 01:12:32,270 pseudoscience or not where I'm going 1663 01:12:38,169 --> 01:12:35,630 with this is the extraterrestrials 1664 01:12:40,360 --> 01:12:38,179 coming from the future hypothesis which 1665 01:12:42,370 --> 01:12:40,370 might sound like pseudoscience to some 1666 01:12:46,209 --> 01:12:42,380 do you think that it could ever prove 1667 01:12:47,770 --> 01:12:46,219 true is there well there'd be one way of 1668 01:12:49,330 --> 01:12:47,780 proving it and that would be somebody 1669 01:12:51,100 --> 01:12:49,340 from the future coming back and saying 1670 01:12:54,150 --> 01:12:51,110 hey I'm from the future that would be 1671 01:12:57,280 --> 01:12:54,160 one way of well we did have one guy 1672 01:13:00,040 --> 01:12:57,290 who's part of that legend regarding 1673 01:13:01,930 --> 01:13:00,050 coming from the future I know you know 1674 01:13:06,970 --> 01:13:01,940 who he is I think he first came on our 1675 01:13:09,760 --> 01:13:06,980 Bell Show he's John Titor and as you 1676 01:13:12,280 --> 01:13:09,770 know during the early 2000s he went on 1677 01:13:16,590 --> 01:13:12,290 several bulletin boards claiming to be a 1678 01:13:18,820 --> 01:13:16,600 military a time traveler from 2036 and 1679 01:13:20,800 --> 01:13:18,830 he had a lot of interesting things to 1680 01:13:22,330 --> 01:13:20,810 say I listened to him repeatedly you 1681 01:13:24,340 --> 01:13:22,340 know the same show over and over again 1682 01:13:27,070 --> 01:13:24,350 and you know one thing he said that I 1683 01:13:30,130 --> 01:13:27,080 don't think anybody really noticed as he 1684 01:13:33,250 --> 01:13:30,140 said in the future we use acronyms a lot 1685 01:13:36,939 --> 01:13:33,260 and whether he was really from the 1686 01:13:38,620 --> 01:13:36,949 future or not I just thought that was 1687 01:13:40,540 --> 01:13:38,630 interesting like you know how would he 1688 01:13:42,820 --> 01:13:40,550 have have known that but then again a 1689 01:13:46,060 --> 01:13:42,830 lot of people can make claims and happen 1690 01:13:47,680 --> 01:13:46,070 to be right about stuff like that yeah 1691 01:13:48,880 --> 01:13:47,690 you guess about enough things you're 1692 01:13:50,770 --> 01:13:48,890 relatively gonna be right about 1693 01:13:53,740 --> 01:13:50,780 something yeah I think it was actually 1694 01:13:56,260 --> 01:13:53,750 just my little conspiracy theory about 1695 01:13:58,300 --> 01:13:56,270 that is it was just a project put 1696 01:14:02,140 --> 01:13:58,310 together by some college students to see 1697 01:14:04,720 --> 01:14:02,150 how people would react yeah but do you 1698 01:14:08,860 --> 01:14:04,730 remember that story I do not I did not 1699 01:14:10,870 --> 01:14:08,870 pay close attention you know a lot of 1700 01:14:13,060 --> 01:14:10,880 people got deeply involved in that topic 1701 01:14:14,770 --> 01:14:13,070 do you think that time travel is 1702 01:14:18,310 --> 01:14:14,780 happening Frank let me just you know 1703 01:14:21,700 --> 01:14:18,320 being is it is it do you think that it's 1704 01:14:25,350 --> 01:14:21,710 actually happened on this planet well 1705 01:14:32,080 --> 01:14:29,320 what but yeah I I don't think so but 1706 01:14:35,040 --> 01:14:32,090 it's possible it's possible whether you 1707 01:14:37,840 --> 01:14:35,050 like the time-travel theory or the ET 1708 01:14:40,270 --> 01:14:37,850 theory we know the kind of distances 1709 01:14:44,800 --> 01:14:40,280 between here and even the nearest star 1710 01:14:46,840 --> 01:14:44,810 you're and the time dilation issue where 1711 01:14:49,210 --> 01:14:46,850 if you're traveling even not close to 1712 01:14:51,370 --> 01:14:49,220 the speed of light and you can get to 1713 01:14:55,060 --> 01:14:51,380 another star system within a reasonable 1714 01:14:57,850 --> 01:14:55,070 amount of time in terms of your time the 1715 01:15:00,340 --> 01:14:57,860 time back on your home planet is moved 1716 01:15:04,330 --> 01:15:00,350 into another eon by the time you got 1717 01:15:06,370 --> 01:15:04,340 back everybody you know every maybe even 1718 01:15:08,770 --> 01:15:06,380 your entire civilization is God it's 1719 01:15:10,750 --> 01:15:08,780 dead so what's the point 1720 01:15:13,680 --> 01:15:10,760 you couldn't practically go there at 1721 01:15:16,090 --> 01:15:13,690 least as far as we can figure out and 1722 01:15:17,620 --> 01:15:16,100 you know bring back any data you would 1723 01:15:20,050 --> 01:15:17,630 just have to do it sort of for your own 1724 01:15:22,360 --> 01:15:20,060 experience and that's that's one of the 1725 01:15:23,680 --> 01:15:22,370 things that Professor Kevin Knuth has 1726 01:15:25,510 --> 01:15:23,690 been talking about he talked about it 1727 01:15:29,140 --> 01:15:25,520 here on the show last summer he talked 1728 01:15:31,870 --> 01:15:29,150 about it at the seu conference you would 1729 01:15:35,880 --> 01:15:31,880 have to have like a nomadic society in 1730 01:15:39,520 --> 01:15:35,890 order to make this kind of thing work 1731 01:15:41,200 --> 01:15:39,530 that's his idea now dr. Eric Davis who 1732 01:15:44,590 --> 01:15:41,210 works with output off and is involved 1733 01:15:46,600 --> 01:15:44,600 through the Stars Academy he has come up 1734 01:15:48,610 --> 01:15:46,610 with a theory that that traversable 1735 01:15:52,120 --> 01:15:48,620 wormholes are possible that get around 1736 01:15:55,390 --> 01:15:52,130 the time dilation issue it's that not 1737 01:15:58,480 --> 01:15:55,400 only the the distances but I think a 1738 01:16:00,970 --> 01:15:58,490 time dilation is an issue too but we 1739 01:16:03,010 --> 01:16:00,980 will see we will we will see as we go 1740 01:16:06,910 --> 01:16:03,020 along but it's getting to the point now 1741 01:16:08,860 --> 01:16:06,920 where I have to move along to and we're 1742 01:16:10,780 --> 01:16:08,870 gonna have to wrap this up too yes thank 1743 01:16:12,430 --> 01:16:10,790 you so much for your time today I really 1744 01:16:15,160 --> 01:16:12,440 appreciate it when one thing I want to 1745 01:16:18,730 --> 01:16:15,170 mention to listeners is keep up with us 1746 01:16:20,740 --> 01:16:18,740 regarding dr. masters because we have 1747 01:16:24,070 --> 01:16:20,750 another interview with him on April 28th 1748 01:16:25,780 --> 01:16:24,080 that noon and eastern time and there's a 1749 01:16:27,370 --> 01:16:25,790 whole big can of worms we didn't really 1750 01:16:28,930 --> 01:16:27,380 have time to I've got it in the plug 1751 01:16:30,100 --> 01:16:28,940 with the other scientific journal 1752 01:16:31,930 --> 01:16:30,110 industry he's got some interesting 1753 01:16:33,670 --> 01:16:31,940 things to say about that and I've got 1754 01:16:36,670 --> 01:16:33,680 some interesting questions for him in 1755 01:16:37,209 --> 01:16:36,680 terms of sort of armchair people like 1756 01:16:39,430 --> 01:16:37,219 myself 1757 01:16:42,490 --> 01:16:39,440 like a lot of you listening out there 1758 01:16:46,090 --> 01:16:42,500 who like to take a stab once in a while 1759 01:16:47,890 --> 01:16:46,100 and get a little bit adventuresome in 1760 01:16:50,110 --> 01:16:47,900 terms of our reading and take a look at 1761 01:16:51,340 --> 01:16:50,120 some of these scientific papers I can 1762 01:16:52,689 --> 01:16:51,350 get through a little bit of them you 1763 01:16:54,790 --> 01:16:52,699 know especially the abstracts the 1764 01:16:57,610 --> 01:16:54,800 abstracts usually don't present too much 1765 01:17:00,189 --> 01:16:57,620 difficulty and a lot of times it's a lot 1766 01:17:02,050 --> 01:17:00,199 better to go to the direct source I'm a 1767 01:17:04,780 --> 01:17:02,060 big fan of that sort of thing and go to 1768 01:17:07,120 --> 01:17:04,790 the scientific journals rather than read 1769 01:17:09,550 --> 01:17:07,130 the exaggerated newspaper article about 1770 01:17:10,930 --> 01:17:09,560 what's in the scientific paper it's a 1771 01:17:13,870 --> 01:17:10,940 it's a lot better to go to the original 1772 01:17:16,330 --> 01:17:13,880 source and get the street scoop at least 1773 01:17:18,760 --> 01:17:16,340 in my opinion whenever possible so why 1774 01:17:21,370 --> 01:17:18,770 should I look forward to talking to our 1775 01:17:23,620 --> 01:17:21,380 guests again on April 28th regarding his 1776 01:17:27,580 --> 01:17:23,630 passion about the possibility of time 1777 01:17:30,910 --> 01:17:27,590 travel and ETS so thank you very much I 1778 01:17:34,000 --> 01:17:30,920 know you booked us another interview yes 1779 01:17:35,350 --> 01:17:34,010 so it's a it's a pretty good get so what 1780 01:17:40,270 --> 01:17:35,360 to tell the folks about that before we 1781 01:17:45,670 --> 01:17:40,280 get out of here yes I had a wonderful 1782 01:17:47,500 --> 01:17:45,680 opportunity to get a guest with us who 1783 01:17:50,770 --> 01:17:47,510 will not go on any other talk show 1784 01:17:53,590 --> 01:17:50,780 except for ours her name is chase a 1785 01:17:54,729 --> 01:17:53,600 klutz key and she just resigned recently 1786 01:17:56,620 --> 01:17:54,739 for MUFON as the director of 1787 01:17:59,310 --> 01:17:56,630 Investigations she spent a very long 1788 01:18:01,750 --> 01:17:59,320 time there she's done a lot of work 1789 01:18:04,209 --> 01:18:01,760 regarding the topic of ufology and other 1790 01:18:06,550 --> 01:18:04,219 phenomena she has a brilliant future 1791 01:18:09,400 --> 01:18:06,560 that she's going to continue working 1792 01:18:11,260 --> 01:18:09,410 towards and she left an extremely 1793 01:18:13,870 --> 01:18:11,270 positive manner with the organization as 1794 01:18:16,660 --> 01:18:13,880 what she relayed to me and she wants to 1795 01:18:19,390 --> 01:18:16,670 be able to share that information and 1796 01:18:21,760 --> 01:18:19,400 also the fact that she wants to continue 1797 01:18:23,800 --> 01:18:21,770 on with efforts she didn't get to 1798 01:18:26,860 --> 01:18:23,810 concentrate on as much before and that 1799 01:18:28,689 --> 01:18:26,870 is lobbying on behalf of the topic of 1800 01:18:32,650 --> 01:18:28,699 the ethology and all of us really in 1801 01:18:34,750 --> 01:18:32,660 Washington there's a lot more but I'll 1802 01:18:37,360 --> 01:18:34,760 just say she mentioned something called 1803 01:18:38,890 --> 01:18:37,370 the Capitol Club and we're going to find 1804 01:18:42,040 --> 01:18:38,900 out more about that who's involved all 1805 01:18:44,830 --> 01:18:42,050 of that also it's important for people 1806 01:18:47,709 --> 01:18:44,840 understand the fiction from reality and 1807 01:18:51,040 --> 01:18:47,719 she's going to go into that regarding 1808 01:18:53,020 --> 01:18:51,050 how her life appeared to turn to fiction 1809 01:18:55,630 --> 01:18:53,030 one day and she wants to let everybody 1810 01:18:56,620 --> 01:18:55,640 know the reality of it that's really key 1811 01:18:59,620 --> 01:18:56,630 for her 1812 01:19:02,110 --> 01:18:59,630 and then lastly that interview will be 1813 01:19:03,580 --> 01:19:02,120 this Sunday and it will be at 10 a.m. 1814 01:19:06,160 --> 01:19:03,590 Mountain Standard Time 1815 01:19:10,720 --> 01:19:06,170 I believe that is that's 1 a.m. East 1816 01:19:12,940 --> 01:19:10,730 Coast time right yeah that interview is 1817 01:19:15,840 --> 01:19:12,950 actually going to be one of the most 1818 01:19:20,860 --> 01:19:15,850 listened to show not only by other 1819 01:19:23,920 --> 01:19:20,870 people but other talk-show hosts so 1820 01:19:26,440 --> 01:19:23,930 that's going to be interesting so I look 1821 01:19:28,660 --> 01:19:26,450 forward to that wonderful post you know 1822 01:19:30,310 --> 01:19:28,670 opportunity yeah thanks thanks for 1823 01:19:32,110 --> 01:19:30,320 booking that that that's a good gift for 1824 01:19:34,300 --> 01:19:32,120 us so yeah I'm gonna get out of here 1825 01:19:36,040 --> 01:19:34,310 I've got the rest of my day to get along 1826 01:19:37,960 --> 01:19:36,050 with chant thanks for everything 1827 01:19:40,330 --> 01:19:37,970 thanks for booking this show and that 1828 01:19:43,330 --> 01:19:40,340 one on Sunday and we'll keep this going 1829 01:19:45,520 --> 01:19:43,340 and hopefully yet maintain the the kind 1830 01:19:47,320 --> 01:19:45,530 of shows that we've been doing I've had 1831 01:19:49,390 --> 01:19:47,330 a blast doing them the the feedback I 1832 01:19:53,050 --> 01:19:49,400 get is they're good shows to listen to 1833 01:19:54,280 --> 01:19:53,060 so we're very grateful and thankful for 1834 01:19:55,840 --> 01:19:54,290 having an audience but I got to be 1835 01:19:57,730 --> 01:19:55,850 honest I'm just I'm doing this I'm 1836 01:20:01,180 --> 01:19:57,740 enjoying the show so much if nobody 1837 01:20:02,410 --> 01:20:01,190 listened that would still do it so thank